Expansion balance between east and west

Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by furie, Apr 22, 2003.

  1. furie

    furie Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When MLS expands in 2005, will there be a balance between east and west? If for example Seattle gets a team, does that automatically put OKC, for example, out of the running in favor for an east of the Mississippi team?
     
  2. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
    the 417
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would assume that they would do East Central West like before where you play the other 3 teams in your conference 4 times and the remaining 8 teams in the other divisions twice save for the two who finished in the same place as you in the other divisions who you would play each once more to equal 30 games.

    Or if they wanted to be simple, they could go single table, and play every other team in the league 3 times for 33 games. Only problem is the unbalanced home and away.
     
  3. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't you mean IF MLS expands in 2005?
     
  4. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think they'll balance it.

    If they add two teams like Rochester and Philadelphia, then they'll both be in the East and Chicago will move back to the west.

    If they add two teams like OkC & Houston, it's a bit more of a problem, but basically, one of them might be put into the East until further expansion balances things out.

    Alternatively, KC could move to the East -- which would probably make more sense because they'd be closer to Chicago and Columbus than OKC or Houston and it would leave the obvious rivalries between Dallas, OKC and Houston in tact.

    Hopefully, they'll stay with 2 divisions. Ideally, I'd like to see them to go a single table, but I don't see that happening until the table is big enough to have a sufficient number of games having a strictly home and home schedule.
     
  5. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, WHEN -- keep up the optimism, baby!!
     
  6. mellon002

    mellon002 Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    Towson, MD
    I like the idea of a table format. I doubt however that they will do that unless they expand the regular season to make it so that a team plays everyone the same amount of games.
     
  7. ojsgillt

    ojsgillt Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lee's Summit MO
    What the hell are you smokin, OKC is only 5 hours from KC.

    If they expand, they will expand central and west, and go to three confrences.

    NY/NJ
    New England
    Columbus
    DC

    Chicago
    KC
    Dallas
    OKC/Tulsa

    LA
    Colorado
    San Jose
    Seattle

    Or they could stay east and west and go with Cleveland or Rochester in the East and OKC/Tulsa in the west.

    Or they could put to more teams in the East and make it a single table.
     
  8. Viking64

    Viking64 Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    Tarheel State
    Forget MLS ever being a single table. That is one thing that Garber has said with his actions even louder than his words, and his words were pretty direct about how conferences feed rivalries and conferences help his conception of playoffs. Witness that conferences this year have control over playoff spots, not single-table record/points listing.

    I think Houston will get a team, I think Garber is going to push hard for an owner there, and I think OKC will also be the second expansion city. So there will be a natural fit for KC, Houston, Dallas, and OKC to be one region. Minneapolis seems to find it's way on the list, so they may beat out OKC this round, maybe not. Either way, I agree they will revert to the four team three conference structure.
     
  9. ojsgillt

    ojsgillt Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lee's Summit MO
    And a new playoff structure.
     
  10. jasontoon

    jasontoon Member

    Jan 9, 2002
    Seattle, WA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assume he meant that KC was closer to Columbus and Chicago than OKC is.
     
  11. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's that, and the fact that no one wants to be a 12-th place team. Which is why baseball went to divisions in the first place.
     
  12. Couldn't the MLS go with an unbalanced schedule and it still work out? Let's work through this...

    Three Conferences...

    West 4 teams
    Central 4 teams
    East 4 teams

    A 24 game schedule (12 home, 12 away) could look like...

    12 games vs 3 in conference teams (2 home, 2 away)
    12 games vs 8 out of conference teams (based on distance)

    There is really no reason (in a purely economic sense) in having a team in San Jose travel to Boston 2 or three times, and vice versa when San Jose can go on one road trip and vice versa. This will save money and intensify rivalries.
     
  13. Crewbasher

    Crewbasher Member

    Jul 7, 1999
    The Enemy Base
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure if that schedule would fly. The Revs, Metros, and DC's fans might not enjoy the likely chance that they will not get to see SJ or LA come to the East coast to play against their teams. I think every team should play a home-and-home with the other squads. I think that 28 games is a fine number. 2 games against the 8 non-conference squads, and 3 games against in-conference rivals (home-field would have to be decided in some fair way)
     
  14. ojsgillt

    ojsgillt Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lee's Summit MO
    3 conferences

    4 games against each confence opponent= 12

    home and away with the other 8 teams = 16

    an extra home and away from one team in each other conference= 4

    32 game schedule.
     
  15. WVKeeper

    WVKeeper Member

    Jun 20, 2002
    Charlotte Suburbs, SC
    Club:
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone notice WUSA has a single table format?
     
  16. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not many. That's part of the problem. ;)
     

  17. It won't fly? It only flies in the NHL, NBA, MLB and every other league in the nation. Hell, the rugby leagues here do it for God's sake. MLS is behind the times.

    Playing an LA/NY game only twice a year will make it more important (ie Lakers/Knicks)...

    It works in other sports, it will work in MLS.

    Go Crew.

    Expand in Oklahoma City.
     
  18. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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