Expanded FIFA Club World Cup: Tournament News & General Discussion [R]

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Alajuelense Requests FIFA Spot in 2025 Club World Cup:
    https://www.footboom1.com/en/news/f...nse-requests-fifa-spot-in-2025-club-world-cup

    I’m all for reducing conflicts of interest in the sport, but the regulations were published very late (with no precedent?) so it would feel wrong to deprive either Leon or Pachuca at this point.

    I also think it’s interesting that LDA believe they would get the spot. Is the host spot included in the country limit? Otherwise Infantino gets to shoehorn in another “host” team with the Philadelphia Union.
     
  2. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  3. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    wow, if that's correct it would be a huge step back
    would mean infantino seriously miscalculated the whole thing. but let's wait on official word before we start bashing him (again) :D
     
  4. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Its a significant amount for non-UEFA clubs. For e.g. the winners of the Copa Sudamericana won USD 6 million. E.g.2 the winners of Bolivia's Apertura championship play the winners of the Clausura, and the grand winners of the year earn USD 1 million.

    But yeah... its peanuts for big UEFA clubs. Below average what they get for playing a single match, and here we are talking about playing around 5-7 matches.
     
  6. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #931 Nico Limmat, Nov 26, 2024 at 3:19 PM
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2024 at 3:25 PM
    Some interesting financial info:
    https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/11/26/gianni-infantino-fifa-club-world-cup

    So the expected cost of the competition is “between” $800M and $1B. FIFA project $800M in media rights, and “between” $1B and $1.2B in partnership and sponsorship sales. For a net revenue of about $1B which can then be used to pay clubs.

    Problem is, others estimate $500M to $700M in total revenue - which would not even cover the cost. Apparently Infantino has said he wouldn’t touch the FIFA reserves…leading all roads to Riyadh.
     
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  7. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If FIFA's literally making up the rules as we speak, Alajuelense are entirely within their rights to raise the question.
     
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  8. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    FIFA is always making up the rules as/when then need those, nothing new and nothing to be upset about. just FIFA

    with old rules half od 2026 stadiums wouldn'd have been even considered to host, just to name the most obvious thing!
     
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  9. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Sure, but this last-minute rule making seems to be getting worse. It's one thing to, say, decide on a seeding criteria a week before a WC draw, but now they are deciding which teams should partake after the qualifying is fully completed.

    That's going from just annoying to full on corruption.
     
  10. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    they evolved from coruption to mafia like organisation. arrogance came on the top and it is only getting worse.
    as long as infantino is there there is no hope and I have strong feeling the next one will be even worse, even though that is hard to imagine.
     
  11. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Of course, but threating to take their grievances to the CAS is just silly. We are not talking about the FIFA statutes here, just competition regulations. The almighty FIFA council can probably change the regulations on a whim.

    I don't see FIFA axing Pachuca or Leon, and if they do it will be to add either Club America or the Philadelphia Union. Not a Tico club.
     
  12. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #937 Nico Limmat, Nov 27, 2024 at 2:54 PM
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2024 at 3:09 PM
    It always seems to happen when FIFA try their hardest to relaunch the CWC.

    Let's see if FIFA can hold a controversy-free "expanded" CWC in 2029. After Vasco da Gama (2000) and Inter Miami next year it would be a first. :rolleyes:

    Well, I suppose already qualified Seattle could still win MLS Cup, making the Miami pick look much more sensible to the untrained eye.
     
  13. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    What is their claim to be involved based on?
     
  14. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #939 Nico Limmat, Nov 27, 2024 at 3:32 PM
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2024 at 3:37 PM
    It's a combination of 1) no common ownership and 2) the two team country limit.

    The competition regulations, published very recently, state that no clubs can have common ownership. Pachuca and Leon have the same owner. LDA expect FIFA to axe one of the two (Pachuca is lower ranked) on this basis and then expect the two team country limit to kick in. Also for the host team. When you have two Mexican teams and two American teams - the 5th club would have to be from a different country. LDA is that club on the ranking at, wait for it, 15th place.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-rankings/fifa-club-world-cup

    I don't blame them for trying, but it's not going to work.
     
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  15. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Thanks. I'm not sure about how the common ownership works but I thought there was an exception for the two club per nation limit if more than two clubs qualified as continental Champions (which effectively means it doesn't apply to CONCACAF, AFC or CAF).
     
  16. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Correct. Continental champions can override the two team limit. So assuming Pachuca actually is refused participation, the Mexican FA would probably argue this is still "Mexico's spot" - opening the door for Club America. At which point FIFA will gladly agree with dollar signs in their eyes.

    And if not, the USSF will argue that the host team should not be included in the limit - opening the door for the Philadelphia Union as a third "host" team. At which point FIFA will gladly agree with dollar signs in their eyes.

    I just see no outcome in which LDA succeeds.
     
  17. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    I love how his African League project collapsed although they said it is coming back next year. Yeah right.

    I hope CWC follows AFL's footsteps.
     
  18. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    without going into discussions about africa, as with anything new I'd like to see the CWC first before I make any judgement

    I also think we have far too many competitions and too many games, no doubt about that, and CWC currently looks like quite a mess, but wanna see it first and make my own picture about it.
     
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  19. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yep, quite the mess indeed. FIFA seem totally behind schedule in preparing and promoting it also. No schedule, no news on tickets sales, etc. About all we know is what the trophy looks like (who cares?).
    For e.g. If you go to the official website for this competition, they have the match schedule of the other CWC. i.e. the 7-team version. No joke! Go here, scroll down a bit and click "match schedule" FIFA Club World Cup 2025™ :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

    I normally take a wait-and-see approach too with something new, but when we have so many games already and multiple club WCs to the point that even FIFA themselves mix them up, it makes it difficult to keep an open mind
     
  20. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Now NT football is out of the way four four months - as far as guaranteed player release by clubs is concerned anyway - I hope more and more information is released, probably around the draw on Thursday.
     
  21. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Botafogo is the 32nd and final team.
     
  22. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  23. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    and all that with red card after half a minute! quite unbelievable!

    23 million for the win and simmilar ammount for the CWC at least …. someone is very happy in rio right now
     
  24. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    btw, brazil with four teams, mexico with three, noone else with more than two

    brazil now with six libertadores titles in a row, won all finals played in a single match
     
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  25. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Nope. Seattle was eliminated last night.

    The 2024 MLS Cup winner will definitely not play in the 2025 CWC.
     

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