Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they committed forgery

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  1. superdave2

    superdave2 New Member

    Dec 16, 2002
    You've got to love this:

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

    The highlight:

    "These affidavits are either perjury or forgery, or call them what you will. They are just flat false," Barnett said.

    Barnett is the Republican AG in SD.

    heh heh heh
     
  2. obie

    obie New Member

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    The rest of TPM is fascinating with regards to Lott...

    Bush is angry that the Dems have run with the Lott story, mostly because there hasn't been any terrorism / Iraq war news. Nice how the admin has decided that keeping the war drums pounding while knocking domestic issues off the news is a good PR policy.
     
  3. obie

    obie New Member

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    Sorry, just amazed that my post worked.

    With regards to SD, anyone surprised? Will we see the National Review mea culpa before, say, hell freezes over?
     
  4. TheWakeUpBomb

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    Nice even-handed piece by Josh. :rolleyes:

    He neglects to mention the 19 counts of forgery that Becky Red Earth-Villeda is charged with.

    Becky Red Earth-Villeda, a former independent contractor with the state Democratic Party, was charged Friday with 19 counts of forgery for allegedly falsifying requests for absentee ballots on some reservations. Each forgery charge carries a maximum prison term of five years.

    Investigators connected Red Earth-Villeda to 1,765 absentee ballot applications in 25 counties, said James Vlahakis, a state Division of Criminal Investigation supervisor. Of 381 people interviewed so far, 277 said their signatures were forged, he said.


    So, 19 counts of forgery (so far) for the 'Dems', and 3 possibly false affidavits for the 'Reeps'.

    I guess the 'Dems' are more evil, huh?
     
  5. superdave2

    superdave2 New Member

    Dec 16, 2002
    hmmmm
    Looks different now, doesn't it?

    It looks to me like Mrs. Red Earth-Villeda was an amateur, she did this big effort to get people to request absentee ballots, but she messed up the paperwork. At that point, instead of just sucking it up, she forged the ballot requests. Not the ballots. There's nothing in the article about voters going, hmmm, where did this absentee ballot come from? There's nothing about the signatures on the ballots being forged. To me, that makes a pretty strong case that she just took her f'ed up ballot requests and copied them properly, then forged the signatures that she'd already collected once, and got ballots for people who were already expecting them. Then they voted, just like they would have if this independent contractor hadn't f'ed up.

    Does anyone have a different interpretation?

    So let's review. The voters legitimately thought they'd done what they were supposed to do, but this volunteer (or quasi-volunteer or something; my memory of this case is that a voter project paid her) f'ed up. In the end, the voters got their absentee ballots. Democracy was served.

    I can see why that pi**** off Reeps. They hate democracy.
     
  6. Dan Loney

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    "These affidavits are either perjury or forgery, or call them what you will. They are just flat false," Barnett said.

    "Possibly" false?

    And those were the three he thought were actually worth investigating. There were fifty in total, which tells me forty-seven were even less plausible than the three "flat false" charges that were investigated.

    Nice spining of your own, WakeUpDervish.
     
  7. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

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    Wow. You changed the bold type. Revolutionary.

    If you'll notice, I was mocking your highlighting in your original post.

    Yes, because she was commiting forgery for a good cause. She was commiting fraud trying to register Democrats, and that, of course, is fine and noble. :rolleyes:

    Wow, my cold Republican heart is breaking.

    Well, it looks like I've done Ms. Red Dirt a disservice. She's a noble patriot who's being persecuted, in addition to being prosecuted for forgery. Maybe the Republicans are just mad at Big Forgery for supporting the Democrats in the last election.

    Yes. You've actually deluded yourself to the point where you can spin anything into the naive and silly notion that Democrats=Good, Republicans=Evil.

    I'll help you. Say it slowly:

    a former independent contractor with the state Democratic Party

    Not so hard, was it?

    Yes, and a Democrat won so why get all worked up about it? It's much more fun to get worked up over the mystery of how Ronnie Musgrove got elected governor of a state you claimed Democrats know they can't win.
     
  8. superdave2

    superdave2 New Member

    Dec 16, 2002
    You're wrong.

    That's not my point. My points are that a) the Republican AG cleared the Dems, b) the right candidate won (because it would be morally wrong for those voters not to have voted because this woman didn't know how to request an absentee ballot (which makes me wonder whether she's a total idiot, or perhaps the laws there make something complicated that should be simple)), and c) this is a case of ONE person f'ing up. Remember, the Dems were the ones who told her that her ballot requests were f'ed up. There was no conspiracy.

    Compare that to the Reeps looking so hard for something that they committed crimes.
     
  9. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

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    Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they committed forgery

    If you like the spinning I did, you must have been beside yourself about superdave's post right above yours. I had no idea Red Grass was such a patriot.

    Now, for some fun with math.

    If you want to go ahead and claim that all 50 were probably false affidavits, then I'll let you.

    But then along the same lines, you'd have to admit that Red Clay forged 1,283 signatures.

    Investigators connected Red Earth-Villeda to 1,765 absentee ballot applications in 25 counties, said James Vlahakis, a state Division of Criminal Investigation supervisor. Of 381 people interviewed so far, 277 said their signatures were forged, he said.

    277 people out of 381 interviewed is nearly 73%. 73% of 1,765 is 1,283. Wow, 1,283 forged signatures according to your logic. Hell, the winning margin in the Senate election was only 524.

    So, if we check superdave's scoreboard of evil, that's still Democrats 1,283 - Republicans 50. Making the Democrats the current party of evil.
     
  10. Dan Loney

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    Re: Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they committed forgery

    1,283 requests for ballots = 50 false affidavits.

    So, if all 1,283 CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY were not only undetected but SUCCEEDED, then South Dakota is AWASH IN...absentee ballots. People could still vote for whoever they want.

    Fifty false affidavits...well, we've seen what happened. Not only was the time of the Attorney General completely wasted in investigating bogus accusations, but the local and national media played along. (With the admirable exception of Josh Marshall.) Every partisan in the country is screaming and howling that Thune should have won, without a scrap of evidence.

    If a Republican had done this, WakeUpTasmanianDevil, you wouldn't have blinked. My close, personal friend Majority Whip Harris told me so.
     
  11. TheWakeUpBomb

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    Zinger. Wow, you are good at this.

    I see. She wasn't standing up for the Democrats, she was standing up for morality. She's justlike a broke father stealing bread for his family. Hooray.

    She is a Democrat.

    Kinda like the butterfly ballot, eh?

    Isn't this where I'm supposed to say something about "Will to Power"? Oooooooh, scary!
     
  12. TheWakeUpBomb

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they committed forgery

    Red Sand will be soooo relieved. She should just bring this this lack of evidence up the first day she heads into court. She won't even need to spend her money on an attorney.

    Katherine Harris with a whip? I had no idea you were so kinky.
     
  13. Dan Loney

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they committed forgery

    Lack of evidence that invalid votes were cast, WakeUpDredl, not about Red Ethnocentric Mangling of Last Name-Villeda being guilty or innocent.

    But way to put the "fun" back into "reading is fundamental."
     
  14. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they committed forgery

    But we're comparing evil here. Not bickering over whether Thune won or not. And, clearly, according to the scoreboard, the 'Dems' are more evil.
    I don't make the rules, I just like to skirt them.
     
  15. superdave2

    superdave2 New Member

    Dec 16, 2002
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they committed forger

    How many Floridians were denied their right to vote in 2002 because that Reep-affiliated data firm illegally scrubbed 10s of thousands of voters, and Jeb didn't care enough to fix the problem.

    Scoreboard. And I didn't even have to bring up all the other s*** the Reeps did this time. And last time. And the time before that.
     
  16. TheWakeUpBomb

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they committed fo

    I don't think trying to dismiss forgery as something noble helps your standing as a crusader for free and fair elections.

    But at least you've given up repeating that FAMU lie.

    Exactly. 'Dems' are more evil. At least in South Dakota.
     
  17. superdave2

    superdave2 New Member

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they committe

    Where do you get this from? Is it from this?
    If so, I guess I wasn't clear. I'm not saying we should let the woman off the hook, I'm saying we shouldn't deny those voters their rights. Even if they're not white.

    (That last sentence is ironic, folks. Put down the pitchforks.)
     
  18. sanariot

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they c

    Which is why you're a republi-nazi (hey, if one bloated douchebag can make up terms, why can't another?) You are the party of inclusion, right? So you shouldn't mind if I try to turn "conservative" into the farcical slur that "liberal" has become (and all along you had us believing that Zionist Liberals controlled the media! Fool me once Mein Führer, shame on you...)
     
  19. TheWakeUpBomb

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they comm

    Fine. I was engaging in a bit of hyperbole, to be sure. I shouldn't have suggested that you thought forgery was noble.

    It seemed, though, that you were saying that the repeated forgery was nobigdeal, and that the important thing was that people got to vote.

    Funny, but I don't remember you ever expressing that sentiment with regard to the Florida mail-in votes, circa 2000. And it seems ridiculous to claim that it was nobigdeal, when it was you who felt the need to start a thread over charges that Republican-sympathizers falsified three affidavits.
     
  20. TheWakeUpBomb

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they c

    Huh?
     
  21. peledre

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    Boy all this stuff going on in SD is all just hitting right to home. Barnett is a graduate of the same high school I went to, he also belongs to the same Parish as my parents, and has had dinner at my house. One of my good friends is dating the new president of Pi Beta Phi sorority down here at the University of South Dakota, one Kelsey Johnson, Tim Johnson's daughter. One of Barnett's main opponents in the Republican primary for the Governer's race, Steve Kirby, is the uncle of one of my best friends from high school. Another one of my good friends from high school was in charge of Thune's youth campaign here in South Dakota, and one of his main strategists, Paul Erickson, the same man who was Campaign manager for Buchanon when he ran for President, is a good friend and mentor of mine.

    So I'm your man if your looking for some six degree's of seperation links to South Dakota politics.

    p.s. On a personal note, I'd like to add that I've talked with the governor-elect of south dakota, and Thune at length with nothing more than my underwear on in 35 degree weather during our homecoming parade (Don't ask, I was supposed to be an "egyptian guard" for our Luxor Hotel themed float, and the costume's weren't working out too well).
     
  22. sanariot

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    take-off on Limbaugh's femi-nazi.


    B.S. Republi-speak (look up "Axis of Evil" or "Compassionate Conservativism" to define B.S. Republi-speak.)

    See all of the things said & posted about the so-called Liberal left-controlled media by your ilk that have become as predictable as the bleatings of sheep begging for their evening feeding!

    Interestingly enough, the term "Liberal" seems to carry about the same weight as the term "corparate rapist" in the so-called Liberal press. (So quit your bitching.)



    Got it now, Skippy? Didn't think so. Just let GWB lead you down the same path of 'war' and national economic stagnation that the previous Bush did and all will be well!
     
  23. superdave

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Evil Reeps...in trying to prove voter fraud in SD, they

    Alot of votes FROM BOTH SIDES came in from overseas after it was apparent that every vote would count. The Dems worked in Israel to make it happen, and the Reeps in the military. I doubt there was a terribly large number of votes involved, but the media was going apes***, so they reported it. I have a problem with that. Votes that clearly came in from overseas and were legit except for some small detail, I'd like to have seen those counted.

    I also would have liked for the Reeps not to have erased the voting priviliges of 90,000 Floridians. Life sucks that way.

    I was just having fun with the irony of the conspiracy nuts committing a conspiracy. It also appears that those nuts have a closer tie to the Republican party than this one woman does to the Dems.
     
  24. TheWakeUpBomb

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    Super. Yours just happens to be decidedly unclever.
    Republi-speak? Seriously, what is the matter with you?
    You must not read over here very much. You're far more likely to read about "corporate controlled media" or even - gasp! - "conservative media bias" here than you are about "liberal left-controlled media".

    But I'll let you be the expert on the bleatings of sheep, since it seems to turn you on so much.
    Some of my best friends are liberals. As a matter of fact, I was just in Ben & Jerry's last night. Two weeks ago, I watched the second half of "West Wing". Once, I almost bought a whole album by those odd-looking fellows Simon and Garfunkel, who seem like a couple of liberals.

    Oh, and please point out where I used the word in "liberal" in this thread?
    Yeah, I've got it. You just decided to go on a little moronic jag in the middle of a thread for no apparent reason. Fantastic. :rolleyes:
     
  25. Dan Loney

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    You must have Ian on a filter.

    You also seem unaware that the liberal media is a myth.

    Especially the way he changed "flat false" to "possibly false." That was really silly and out of nowhere. You should be ashamed of yourself, Astorian. *shamey finger*
     

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