Everyone's favorite son: The Timo Werner thread

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Epitome990, Jul 2, 2017.

  1. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well I don’t think France or Portugal will park the bus against Germany ???

    And if they come out of the group stage they will meet some quality teams as well
     
  2. dips82

    dips82 Member+

    Oct 11, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    France and Portugal may also park the bus, specially Portugal since they have technically inferior midfielders compared to Germany
     
  3. Aderthan

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    Schwarz weiss essen
    Germany
    Nov 17, 2020
    I always have this strange confidence against Portugal. It will be 40-60 against the French but the Hungarian team have this underdog vibe around them.
     
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  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    They played very defensively in 2018
     
  5. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    who did? the french?
     
  6. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I think he meant Portugal.
     
  7. Blueberry_night

    Blueberry_night Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Quite sure playing with RB Leipzig is the main reason. Which is pathetic. It's not Werner fault that RB Leipzig appreciate his talent and he flourished while playing there. People being petty is something that we need to face in this era
     
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  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yes - that was the criticism of them. They played Pogba at pivot with 2 drones in midfield, and then hit teams on the break - but conservative football tends to work in tournaments
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    In these kind of tournaments it is fairly usual to want to play in a mid/low block and counter

    Of course the latest trends are in favour of aggressive high pressing for elite sides, but those kinds of complex systems are hard in the international context

    e.g. Previously germany could rely on an established style of play that they could take into a tournament but here it feels like they are starting from zero.

    France is more able to build, but they also have issues - especially in that Griezmann and M'Bappe were so key to everything in '18 but they have been rubbish lately
     
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  10. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I worry that Werner looks so bad in front of goal.

    He is getting into scoring opportunities, but just not converting which is likely to be a huge problem in defensively oriented tournament games.

    So much will depend on Gnabry
     
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  11. BVBFNM

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    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    While I understand the hatred towards RB Leipzig for being the antithesis of everything German football stands for, they have so far proven themselves to be a necessary evil, after all they've helped the Bundesliga coefficient with their recent performances in the CL, and unlike plastic clubs like PSG and M. City who have spent the last decade or so essentially buying their way to success, RB Leipzig have resorted to a more organic approach by nurturing young talent.

    I would advise other Bundesliga clubs to step up their game and start generating real impact on European tournaments.
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    My antipathy towards werner relates entirely to '18 and since

    You just can't rely on him.

    With no natural 9, I think Germany need to look for goals all along the lines - so that means Havertz needs to play, and let's hope Gnabry, Sane and Mueller can find top form.
     
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  13. BVBFNM

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    Apr 3, 2016
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    Borussia Dortmund
    After Mario Götze scored the winning goal in the World Cup final, Löw fell in love with the idea of a false 9, and the false 9 experiment has been an abject failure, yet Löw insists on it. Sigh.
     
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  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    He fell in love with it in qualifying long before the final!

    If anything the move back to Klose during the tournament was an admission that the false 9 experiment hadn't worked.
     
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  15. Blueberry_night

    Blueberry_night Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
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    Borussia Dortmund
    This is correlation not causation. The reason Loew insist on false 9 because Klose was retiring.
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I remember him playing around with it in qualifying because Pep had Goetze at Bayern, and Germany had a lot of good forwards like Reus and Mueller, but only old Klose at 9

    Didn't Schurrle play false 9 at one point?
     
  17. Blueberry_night

    Blueberry_night Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Don't remember exactly. Okay maybe u're right. Case close.
     
  18. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria


     
  19. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Pretty funny video

     
  20. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    With Chelsea signing Lakaku, I presume he will be the focal point in the Chelsea attack, the question is how will this effect the likes of Werner and Havertz who will have to battle for limited starting spots.
     
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  21. Dage

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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #1021 Dage, Aug 10, 2021
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2021
    Werner almost never played as a 9 there. He was mostly used as a winger to open up the defense and create spaces. I really can't see a good spot for Havertz unfortunately if Tuchel continues to play last season's system but with Lukaku upfront. On the other hand, it would be madness to not use Havertz..
     
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  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    That's what I was wondering as well.

    The arrival of Lukaku suits Werner who can then play as the hybrid 2nd striker which is his best position. But then where does Havertz play considering Mount will be in central midfield and also they have Pulisic?
     
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  23. AdiD

    AdiD Member

    Mar 11, 2011
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    ziyech Is there to. Though i think a combination of Lukaku, Werner and Havertz could work. But Mount is hard to place out where his actual best position is. Feels like he is Chelseas Müller in a way and a fan-favorite
     
  24. Blueberry_night

    Blueberry_night Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I watched a great deal of Chelsea matches last season thanks to Timo, Kai, Rudiger and especially since arrival of Tuchel there. Mason Mount played more central. I'm quite fond of Mount, he really ran his sock off every game and it appears he also had good attitude and work ethic.

    I believe Chelsea could play with Lukaku up top and Werner as left forward and Kai as right forward. I don't think Tuchel really rate Hakim Ziyech and Ziyech look a bit unfit with 3-4-3 formation. The biggest hurdle for Timo and Kai to had the starting XI guarantee indeed is Pulisic.

    Nevertheless, having 6 forward (with Tammy Abraham as well) is not a bad thing considering Chelsea play with 3 forward formation.
     
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  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Tammy Abraham is not staying.
     
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