Ever go with the wrong call?

Discussion in 'Referee' started by threeputzzz, Jun 9, 2016.

  1. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    Last weekend I was centering a top level girls U15 game when an attacker took a shot from just outside the PA. As she was swinging her leg to shoot the defender closing in on her whipped her head around to avoid taking a hard ball to the face. It missed her head by more than a foot but I both heard and saw the ball hit her pony tail that whipped around just as the ball went by. The ball and hair were moving in the same direction so the contact was not obvious at all had no effect on the ball which missed wide. The keeper started off to retrieve the ball and everyone started back up field. I looked over at the AR who was signaling goal kick. Ugh. I decided this was not the time to be that guy and went with the GK. Basically I whimpped out and went with the call everyone expected but I was pretty sure it was technically wrong.

    What would you do? After thinking about it next time I think I'll just make the call as I see it, even if it's the harder sell.
     
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  2. refontherun

    refontherun Member+

    Jul 14, 2005
    Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2 refontherun, Jun 9, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2016
    Did she use the ponytail to make herself bigger?:rolleyes:

    If a GK was the call everyone expected, I don't believe you made the wrong decision. You stated that "everyone started back up field", so they seemed to have agreed with your call.
     
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  3. timtheref

    timtheref Member

    Aug 23, 2010
    One of my mentors has said, "if you're the only one on the field who thinks it's a corner(goal), it's a goal(corner) kick."
    This does not apply to judgement calls, I.e. Foul/No Foul as in the Esse Baharmast case.
     
  4. BTFOOM

    BTFOOM Member+

    Apr 5, 2004
    MD, USA
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Agree here. If it hit her head (or glanced off any other part of her body), then you make the call, but hair is very dicey and if everyone else is going with it, then good call. Same for throw-ins. @timtheref is right that good here, not with fouls.
     
  5. Boots_McCoy

    Boots_McCoy Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Yep. Been there, done that. It happens.

    I don't really have any profound advice for the situation. My hopes have always been to avoid the mistakes that keep you from sleeping at night. And yes, I've made a few those, too.

    Nobody referees the perfect game. All you can do is go out there, work your butt off, make decisions based on what you've seen and do it confidently.


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  6. nullix

    nullix Member

    Apr 18, 2014
    Valencia, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was it "ball to hair" or "hair to ball"?

    (BTW, not certain what I'd do either. Probably go with the flow.)
     
  7. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    According to the feedback I get from the touch lines, I go with the wrong call more often than not.
     
  8. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I had a call a couple of weeks ago. I was AR 1 and there was a throw in right at the corner flag. I was watching across the line as the ball was played back to the thrower and was played on side by a defender on the very far side of the field. As I was watching the line, the ball was played out by someone over the end line. The referee signaled corner and I mirrored. I have no idea what happened or by who. Of course, the tying goal was scored on the corner which had the aggrieved coach laying into me for making a call, that apparently was wrong. I didn't say anything to him because my explanation would have taken 5 minutes to explain with me watching across the line and looking back to see the ball heading out.
     
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  9. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    Yeah this is one of the worst parts of being an AR. You can miss an obvious call right in front of you because you are doing your job correctly.
     
  10. Errol V

    Errol V Member+

    Mar 30, 2011
    Next fall it will be a "Hair Ball."
     
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  11. Errol V

    Errol V Member+

    Mar 30, 2011
    Goal kick.
     
  12. BigManIntheMiddle

    Jan 10, 2013
    Inland Empire, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now if it had hit a manbun....CK.
    ;)
     
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  13. lemma

    lemma Member

    Jul 19, 2011
    What a bizarre thread.

    You saw the ball go off a defender. Do your job and call the corner kick.

    Not the end of the world that you went along to get along, but let's not pretend there was any underlying wisdom or virtue in doing so.
     
  14. refontherun

    refontherun Member+

    Jul 14, 2005
    Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are many times that non-verbal player input can help you make the correct call. I don't know how many times, in the PA, I've seen the ball go out over the goal line and been ready to signal a goal kick. Especially with balls coming in from the my corner. Then the defense will start setting up for a corner kick. Which way do you think I'm going to go? I'm going to do what the players expect in that situation. I'm there to assert my authority, not impose in.
     
  15. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

    Jun 30, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Game management. ;)
     
  16. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the most part I agree. However, there are times when there is a slight deflection that very few including the players see. Most could be setting up to defend a corner kick, but you know that it is really a goal kick. There are also times that players lie. I have seen players go to retrieve the ball and try to take a throw-in when it is obvious that the thrown-in should go to the other team.
     
  17. kayakhorn

    kayakhorn Member+

    Oct 10, 2011
    Arkansas
    :eek:
    Players try to deceive the referee for their own advantage?

    That is one minor source of irritation for me. The higher the level of competition, the higher the percentage of balls into touch where the players try to claim restarts that don't belong to them. Should be cautionable! ;)
     
  18. refontherun

    refontherun Member+

    Jul 14, 2005
    Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course, if the restart is in the team's favor, I'm going to be more assertive and give the restart according to what I saw, correct or not. If an entire team is conceding a restart that is obviously to their determent, such as a corner kick, I will tend to go that route unless I'm absolutely positive. An example would be, Team A has several attackers in and around the opposing PA. I'm with the ball as Team A midfielder sends a long ball toward the goal that knicks a defender then goes long over the goal line. Only you and probably the other two nearby know of the deflection, so everyone near the goal from both teams starts heading up field to set up for a goal kick. In that case, I would give the corner because I'm absolutely sure. Throw ins are one thing, but the difference between a GK and CK can be game changing.
     
  19. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    Half the players think I'm going with the wrong call most of the time ....

    Good points here about doing what the teams expect. However for those who may be reading along, I'd warn that this might NOT be the best practice for the younger ages. Often they don't know what is happening, and they are waiting for the ref to tell them what's next. What you see as the attackers backing away as if it should be a goal kick might just be them milling about until they see the ref's decision. Just because they don't immediately get into position for a corner doesn't mean they think it's not a corner.
     
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  20. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    This is good advice for the younger age groups. But for older and more experienced players, it is often wiser to
    allow the teams to agree on the decision themselves.
    The original LOTG described the main function of the referee was to "decide disputed incidents." He was off the pitch,
    and would make a decision only when asked. Hence his title, referee the person who is referred to.
    Sometimes this is still the thing to do, but very rarely.

    I think that something like this still exists in high level tournament golf.

    PH
     
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