Euros 2020 (in 21) thread

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  1. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Wasnt sure about Southgate tactics, but couldnt argue after first half.

    Southgate barfed the 2nd half though.

    Watching Italy press so high with Chiellini practically camped in our half was criminal with our bench. The subs and timing of subs all wrong for me. Plus the goal was clearly coming and changes were needed prior.

    The pens and subs were baffling. Feel for those guys who missed after no game time (Sancho / Rash). Giving the key final pen to a 19 year old was a big ask. Feel even more for Sako.

    Congrats Italy - well deserved and best team through the competition.
     
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  2. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    The moment i saw Rash and Sancho coming i knew they would miss .. Grazie :D
     
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  3. Ashur

    Ashur BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    It's actually worrisome what rags like The DM, Sun or Mirror, just to name those will come up with tomorrow. Very much so when we consider their track record in similar situations.
     
  4. Ashur

    Ashur BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    Also, as was the case in Gdansk, seeing the difference a good coach/manager can make. Mancini clearly outclassed Southgate today, wasn't even close.
    Made all the right adjustments after going behind, his subs were well timed and efficient. Southgate got taken to school today.
    If Mancini hadn't coached City, he's actually someone I wouldn't have minded for the United job once we're ready to move on from Ole. He's obviously grown in that role and was very impressed with how far he's taken Italy. Great, great job on his part with the talent he has on hand (someone who actually makes use of it, unlike Southgate, Deschamps or Santos).
     
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  5. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    England may never have a better chance.
     
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  6. Ashur

    Ashur BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    They would, if they were to find the right man. That's twice they've fallen so close under Southgate. And like Ole, he's done some good things for the group considering where they came from.
    But he probably won't be the guy to take them over the line. There is tons of talent on that team (young, up and coming ones too).
    With the right guy at the helm, they could go very far in the next 5yrs all the way to 2026. Someone in Mancini's ilk would be an excellent choice for instance...
     
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  7. Amdrag

    Amdrag Member+

    Jun 10, 2007
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    Manchester United FC
    Southgate won't be replaced now, and that is their issue.
     
  8. Holy__Joe

    Holy__Joe Moderator
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    Mar 31, 2007
    Manchester
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Will they ever have two so favourable draws though?

    2018 they really had a pass all the way through to the Semis against Croatia.

    This time they had Germany added in, but avoided alot of teams.
     
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  9. Ashur

    Ashur BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    United States
    I'm aware he won't be: just like France won't replace Deschamps. Don't know the sitch with Portugal: perhaps they will replace him, given his age and the fact he's been in place for so long now...
     
  10. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You'd think he'd resign if he had any integrity with mis-managing things as badly as he did.
     
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  11. Amdrag

    Amdrag Member+

    Jun 10, 2007
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    They got a very blah Germany side, and should of lost. World Cup 22 is going to be very interesting.
     
  12. Ashur

    Ashur BigSoccer Yellow Card

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    United States
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    I agree with that, but the overarching point is that they have more than enough talent that if things even out in that dept, they could make deep runs again in the coming tournaments.
    But that will probably not happen with someone like Southgate at the helm. This England team is loaded and would be fearsome under someone more courageous and forward thinking.
     
  13. LA. MAN UNITED

    LA. MAN UNITED Member+

    May 22, 2006
    New Orleans
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    World Cup starts in only 16 months. England is stuck with Southgate
     
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  14. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    Why would he anyway ? You will see many johnny ounidits with "proud" of England BS .. too much vanity
     
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  15. Ashur

    Ashur BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    United States
    Gigi in esteemed company. What a pickup by PSG (on a free transfer too).
     
  16. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    England hasn't peaked yet. They will be in with a final 4 shout again in the next WC.

    Southgate is a problem, I agree. But in his defense, he's also moved them forward on the mental side of the game. This team clearly believe in themselves.
     
  17. Diable Rouge

    Diable Rouge Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    yup, at least france has a succession plan in place with zidane taking over after the world cup (or before if deschamps wants to save face).
     
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  18. Amdrag

    Amdrag Member+

    Jun 10, 2007
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Did we watch the same penalties?
     
  19. doubletrouble

    doubletrouble Member+

    Manchester United
    Saint Kitts and Nevis
    Dec 16, 2003
    St.Kitts
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    St. Kitts and Nevis
    When Rashford was taking his kick I kept saying "What are you doing?. He never kicks pens like that and chooses to do that now. It was close but damn
     
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  20. Amdrag

    Amdrag Member+

    Jun 10, 2007
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    It felt like the England way. They all took them that way. Even Sancho, but with way less run up.
     
  21. Ashur

    Ashur BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    It appears that Southgate is the one who decided who took the pens, based on what he saw in training. Bad choice.
    How a player performs in training certainly gives a baseline, but a shootout under those circumstances is all about nerves/who can take the pressure and being confident in one self . And it really should be volunteers stepping up: if no one does or there aren't enough, that's when the coach should step in imo.
     
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  22. Ashur

    Ashur BigSoccer Yellow Card

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    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    That didn't take long... :whistling:

    Just fear it's only the beginning too.
     
  23. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    All iffs and buts …. For me;

    Kane dropping deep with only Mount and Sterling to run in behind was a waste.

    Second half had to be Trippier off for a speed merchant player to run in behind like Sancho or Rashford to push their defence back rather than Saka (who was fairly ineffective).

    Graelish for Mount a lot earlier to use the space generated, especially as felt Mount had an ineffective game also.

    The subs were wrong and way too late from Southgate.
     
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  24. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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    Manchester United FC
     
  25. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Must be frustrating always having to look forward to the good times and never getting to enjoy them.

    Only thing you can say, I guess, after this kind of defeat again and again.
     

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