European Super League

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  1. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    I listened to it already, and he complained that the teams aren't even good?

    I'm on this message board asking for clarification as to why it's a bad idea, since I haven't seen anyone articulate it...certainly I don't think Neville did a very good job outside of wanting to keep things status quo and being angry at the foreign ownership groups?
     
  2. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Wait...are you saying these teams would leave their respective domestic competitions? I was under the impression this new comp would just eliminate the Champions League, and that all these teams would still play in La Liga, Serie A, EPL, etc...Is that wrong?
     
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  3. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    One unambiguous winner of Europe deciding to destroy all of its major leagues except one would be MLS. I know you're a big MLS guy, so I'm not surprised to see you favor a Super League
     
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  4. YankatOxford

    YankatOxford Member

    Oct 15, 2007
    Yes, that is wrong. If these 12 clubs go forward with the plan they will be removed from the domestic competitions that form their core identity. UEFA and the national associations and the leagues are all opposed to this, and they have the power to block this.
     
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  5. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Clearly, The Don is behind all of this. It's got his fingerprints all over it. :thumbsup:
     
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  6. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    North Ridgeville, OH
    The remaining clubs would sign them. On free transfers, so they’d be able to offer much more competitive salaries, and offer the opportunity to play international football. See my other posts regarding why it is inconceivable to me that the club/player contracts would be enforceable if the clubs left FIFA(UEFA). I say this not as an attorney, but as someone who has negotiated commercial contracts for almost three decades. There is no way those contracts are signed with any dispute resolution clause other than being resolved by either FIFA or CAS. Neither of those entities would rule for the clubs. The players are obviously free to re sign with those clubs....but they’ll do so knowing that their international careers are over. Some may do it for the money. But those players will have to be replaced, at some point. And I just don’t see a bunch of players, the next generation of stars, signing up for that. There is enough money at the remaining clubs to provide generational wealth to those types of players.

    not to mention all of the lawsuits from the existing sponsors that will surely target these clubs. And most will see the long term inevitable outcome of this. This league will die, and these clubs will have slit their own throats due to their short term greed.
     
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  7. YankatOxford

    YankatOxford Member

    Oct 15, 2007
    Ultimately, this is a power play from these 12 clubs to try to force a better outcome that results in a more favorable distribution for them from the Champions League revenue and their national leagues’ revenue. That is the core avarice in play, and these clubs are attempting to use the leverage they have to compel a better outcome. It is effectively a negotiating tactic and an extremely cynical one.
     
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  8. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    its also effectively a short term bail out for the spanish and italian clubs who are facing severe financial pressure.
     
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  9. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Follow up: UEFA's President just mentioned this as a possibility. So Pulisic may in fact not play any more Champions League games this season.
     
  10. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    North Ridgeville, OH
    And I imagine, some American owners that bought something shiny and new without fully understanding acknowledging the risk associated with not competing in Euro football in perpetuity, or, relegation for that matter. It’s the inverse of the people that insist promotion/relegation should happen here because that’s the way they do it in Europe. This league is the way we do it here. And they’re in for a rude awakening when they finally come to the realization that how they do it over there ain’t the same.
     
  11. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    This Super League bollox won't happen. These owners seem to have forgotten THE most important people in football - the fans. Not the bloke in New York in a Chelsea shirt, not the bloke in Singapore in a Liverpool shirt, not the woman in New Delhi in a United shirt, I mean THE real fans, the blokes that pay small fortunes going through the turnstiles. NO fans in Europe want a shite closed league NONE, do these owners actually believe that the usual 75'000 people that sit in Old Trafford every week are going to just shrug they're shoulders over this! Of course they're not! How 'super' will a Super League be when no c*** is watching the game!?
    This damn stupid move WILL kill these clubs rather quickly, once these owners begin to REALLY understand their club they are going to understand their mistakes, it might take just this before the stupid b*stards finally cotton on!
     
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  12. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    i think you are underestimating the financial acumen of kroenke, singer, and sad as it is the glazers. fifa runs on money and will be quiescent when it comes down to making sure the spice flows. uefa gonna get defanged, but outside of the countries themselves stepping in this train is gonna run imo.
     
  13. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    North Ridgeville, OH
    My only question is how punitive UEFA and FIFA will be as a result of this. We’re I running it, I’d be a complete dick. Ban these clubs from European competition for a year or two. Remove spots from any league that doesn’t relegate them to the bottom of their pyramids. They declared war with a pop gun....crush them.
     
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  14. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Thx for a real attempt at explanation. People here are supremely weird about explaining this to me, and stalking me as some MLS super fan or something which i don't even understand...

    I guess it seems this is all a negotiating tactic between these clubs and FIFA?

    I just can't really see Newcastle or any other midtable squad being able to compete with the salaries offered by those clubs, just as they cannot now. Even without transfer costs, they still wouldn't be able to offer equivalent salaries, unless the EPL boots the big 6 from the domestic league and gives more money to the rest?

    And I also can't really see FIFA being ok with staging a World Cup without 150 of the world's most recognizable stars. But ultimately, that seems to be their biggest "stick".

    I guess overall I just don't get the rage here. These clubs are trying to force through something to make more money. Who the heck cares? Good for them. Seems the last time a team other than these Super League teams won the CL (other than Bayern, who might join?) was Porto in 2003. So what's the big deal? It's not like other teams even have a chance.

    Also seems these leagues screwed the pooch years ago, allowing all the huge money to come in from abroad without any repercussions, creating domestic leagues with virtually zero competition outside of the top 2-6 teams. It's not like those big teams now are gonna be ok with taking less, or installing a salary cap or whatever.
     
  15. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    North Ridgeville, OH
    I think you are wildly underestimating the lengths to which mobsters will go to protect their income and how violently and completely they will crush any competition. If these clubs do this.....they’re done.
     
  16. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Yeah, I think the idea for people like the Kroenkes is to reduce risk. Even with how advantageous a position a club like Arsenal is in right now, a few 8th place seasons will damage the money train for Kroenke.

    But in a Super League, Kroenke is free to run Arsenal like the Pittsburgh Pirates with no repercussions.
     
  17. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    North Ridgeville, OH
    That’s what the clubs want. But they can want that all they want...if they break away it will never happen.
     
  18. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    North Ridgeville, OH
    Kroenke probably calls it regulation and screams offsideS at the top of his lungs.
     
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  19. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    no disputing this is going to be open warfare between some of the worst people in the world, but guys like stan kroenke and paul singer absolutely love and thrive in this environment. they also have the advantage of owning the brands that drive the money into fifa. starving the world cup of the breakaway league players is nbd to these people
     
  20. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    North Ridgeville, OH
    And he probably honestly believes he’ll be able to reshape the sporting landscape in Europe in his own image. Being a billionaire can go to your head like that. But mark my words....he’s gonna get smoked for this.
     
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  21. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Right. This just seems like it's two greedy groups going against each other.

    The clubs have the most money, the brand recognition, and the best players.

    FIFA has the World Cup.

    Both just want to keep and make as much money as they possibly can, and it sounds like they are just setting up to negotiate.

    Not sure why one (FIFA) is being portrayed as "good" and one (SL clubs) are "bad".

    All else equal (in domestic leagues), why do I care if it's the Champions League or the Super League? Just because Porto might win it once in 20 years?
     
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  22. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    To be clear my biggest hope is that clubs become clubs again instead of brands. I am just too cynical to believe that money won’t win though
     
  23. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And what's the point of domestic competitions for the ESL founding clubs. They're guaranteed a place in the ESL year after year, amassing huge wealth, where other clubs don't have that luxury. These clubs could be relegated and still be in the ESL.

    The ESL essentially makes the major domestic leagues irrelevant over time.
     
  24. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
    Club:
    Brooklyn Knights
    ******** this shit. It's worse than shit, it's shit mixed with vomit mixed with the bile of an ebola patient.
     
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  25. Hagbard Celine

    Oct 7, 2003
    New Britain, CT
    Except the ESL clubs can't completely develop their own labor. There will always be a secondary market necessary for grooming talent. They won't be irrelevant, just less important. Major vs minor leagues, college vs pro, etc...
     

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