I come in peace as usual. Interesting take. I actually agree with you, it really reminds me of the whole 10Hag situation and Levy has to be wise because, I'm not sure as an outsider, but kind of felt like he lost the dressing room at some point. Everytime I see the same squad as prior years but players stink it up yet they are fit and a good age range, it's definately signalling kicking out the coach. Lastly, I kind feel Ange was actually backed last summer unlike prior Spurs coaches and it didn't reflect as expected even when most players came back form didn't alter. Glasner as you say did more with way less. Going for an EPL manager like Frank, Iraola would be wise imo.
Well, good players were brought in over the summer, but not enough of them - there were actually unused roster spots. Good players were brought in in January, as well, but so late in the window. So you can say Ange has been backed, but put an asterisk by that. And there still will be only one "club trained" player for Europe next year (and it will be the third string goalkeeper), though that is more a failing of the past as we are now investing in young players again. Ange and the players all say that he never lost the dressing room, though that "belief" sure wasn't apparent in a lot of league games. I wonder how many people who have been saying that Daniel Levy doesn't care about winning trophies will be calling for him to fire the manager that finally won one?
Those two coaches DO NOT deserve to coach us in The CL............Ange attained it for us so he coaches us in it. It's called loyalty.
What good players? Our summer window was Werner, Gray, Bergvall, Solanke and Yang when we knew we were going to be in 4 competitions. Really, Bergvall was the only one who showed promise, we sent Yang out on loan. Solanke has been a major disappointment. And the wanker turned down Eze. In January, we brought in Kinsky (who we didn't need), Danso (a good signing) and Tel, who is shit. As for the young players, he only plays them when we have injuries.
Never thought I would say this, but this is the most sensible post I have seen on this thread. and it comes from an Arsenal supporter. One of our biggest barriers to our success is the fact so many of our supporters accept mediocre players.
We are now going out for a celebratory meal. A pleasant night to all our fellow Spurs supporters, even those who hate us.
Bon appétit. I guess that was directed at me. But I don't hate you, I just think you're numpties. There is a difference.
One advantage of being 6 hours behind is that the game ended just as happy hour started. Spotted one guy wearing a Man U shirt who didn't look all that happy.
He didn't (lose the dressing room), as best I could tell, and believe me, I was looking closely for it. But he prioritized the Cups in such a way that failure in the league became quite acceptable. I think there was a real failure of leadership in that regard. Folks who've been around here long enough will know how much time I spent lamenting the way numerous gaffers have de-prioritized cups at the expense of pursuing a CL place. Yes, fixture congestion can require squad rotation, but it doesn't make losing ok, even if not all of your first XI are available. And if it wasn't ok for Redknapp or Poch to tacitly imply 'its ok, lads', when we'd go out of this very comp, it's certainly no better (and probably worse) when Ange belies a 'no problem' attitude when, in its pursuit, we lose week over week in the league. I'm quite pleased for the trophy, and don't wish to criticize the gaffer before the hangover even lifts. And y'know, i wouldn't even mind the losses if there was an accompanying angst and an indication that its not acceptable and that we were doing our best to win. But I didn't see that, and its a fair bet the players didn't, either. So no, he didn't lose the players. If he had - and again, I was looking for it - I'd've been as loudly 'Ange out!' as anyone. But he didn't lead/inspire them, either. At least not always, but rather quite selectively. Folks will blame the injuries, or the tactics - each with a degree of validity - but neither fully explains the malaise in which we approached the League for the last three months. That's the biggest black mark against him, to my mind. He's displayed enough tactical nous in Europe to suggest he's not as much clueless as stubborn, and as Funk suggests, if Levy's even considering keeping him on, there needs to be some clarification as to what he's willing to do tactically to insure success - or at least less failure. Personally, I suspect he's done. And I also suspect that's probably best for the club. Glasner would be my pick, but im not the chairman. And if I were, I'd sit down with Ange and give him the opportunity to convince me he's the man to take the club forward. But he'd have his work cut out for him, there, if im honest. Still, if I'm gonna be all, "thanks for the trophy, but its time to go", I'd like to more strongly emphasize the first part of it. Its been a shite year, and the trophy and how we won it were not the most impressive or most glorious that I can recall. But when we were really, really good under Poch - 2nd in the Prem, most goals, fewest conceded, and playing some of the best football in Europe - critics said none of that matters. Silverware matters. Ok, then.
Glasner won The FA cup, Ange won The Europa league, why does Glasner deserve to play in The CL and is he a better coach than Ange?
I saw what Glasner did with Eintracht Frankfurt and was impressed. I then saw what he did with Palace - in the Prem, which is a factor - and was impressed. And Ive seen what Ange has done at Spurs, and have been less so. Its really nothing to do with the trophies; either of them. Though, again, I am grateful to Ange for winning one. But take those two competitions (Palace's FA Cup and our Europa) out of it, and there really can't be much doubt about who looks the stronger manager in England's top tier.
You cannot take them out of it because coaches are judged on results. In just two years with Ange we've ended fifth and won a trophy and with a bad injury list.
Using your sophist logic: Glasner beat the best coach in the world Pep, and 3rd placed Manchester City in the FA Cup final. Glasner destroyed a very good Aston Villa side in the semifinal. Ange beat 16th placed Manchester United, a team he had already beaten 3 times this season. Ange defeated a small club from the middle of nowhere in the semifinal that even you could have beaten. I know which one I would want to coach my club. You really know nothing about football.
Excellent post (praise for Arsenal supporters and Pook in the same day, this is me being POSITIVE). Where I would disagree is on the tactical nous and the 'losing the room' stuff. Yes, his tactics were spot on from the second leg of the Frankfurt game, but all he showed was he can beat teams at his level. If you look at our PL results, he has only taken 13 points from 54 available against the top 10. I don't want to go into a CL campaign with him at the helm, he is out of his depth. As for the dressing room, I agree that he did not lose it, but he did lose certain players. From their body language and comments throughout the season, I think players like Cuti, Madders, Son, and Spence don't rate him, and I think there are a few others. Bottom line is we would be making a colossal mistake if we keep him. This is where we have to be ruthless as a club. I remember Simon Jordan saying his biggest regret as Palace owner was not replacing Iain Dowie as manager when they got promoted to the PL. He knew in his heart that Dowie was out of his depth, but decided to back him, and they ended up getting relegated on the last day of the season. Closer to home, after the Toronto Raptors were eliminated in the second round of the NBA playoffs in 2018, GM Masai Ujiri sacked Dwayne Casey, who had won Coach of the Year. The next year, the Raptors won the championship.
One has to look at Ange's results very selectively to favor him over Glasner. But do so if you like. To be clear, I'm not going to be upset if Ange stays on. I'll be upset if he does so and next season in the League is anything like this last one. I'm just saying that its easier to envision better overall results next year with any of a number of options, Glasner being first among them. Actually, scratch that. Mauricio Pochettino would be my first choice. Assuming he and Paratici could see eye-to-eye, of course. But that'll be necessary for whomever ends up in charge. But if folks are all the sudden 'Ange in!' on the heels of yesterday, good for them. I wont discourage some proper feel good opinions. Hell, its not like its any of our's decision to make.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...ts-angeball-principles-to-keep-trophy-promise Ange the pragmatist.
Did Mauricio win us a trophy in 5 years, yes or no? Ange has proved that he can win trophies with us in only 2 years. Why would you change this winning formula? Glasner has proved himself with Palace, not with us. Just because we've had a bad season in the league doesn't mean to say we'll have a bad season next season. Ange stays. If he's won us The EL then he might be successful in The CL. Let's give him that chance. Ange out, Glasner in? Ange out Silva in? Ange out Pochettino in? Come on. You cannot be serious.
No. And if that's all that matters to you, I suppose you're on the right track. Then again, if that answer is determinant, we would likewise have been better off sticking with Juande Ramos than bringing in Harry Redknapp. If that's a limb you want to climb out on, I'll just have to tip my hat.
What other limb is there? When Juande Ramos arrived we just went steadily down the table and it wasn't his efforts that won us the cup. Your analogy doesn't work. NONE of the other coaches mentioned deserve CL football. Ange DOES.
Ange has turned us around. Alex Ferguson had to wait 5 years before he won a trophy at Man Utd and then look what happened.
You are basing your decision on a run of fixtures against so-so teams. Madness. He will get eaten alive in the CL. I think a lot of fans are completely forgetting what happened in the league - the guy has lost 33 of his last 65 in the league and 25 in all comps this season.
You need to look up the definition of analogy. And Ramos beat Arsenal over 2 legs in the semifinals, thus becoming the first Tottenham manager to beat them in 9 years, and then beat a powerhouse Chelsea in the final. He didn't beat Bodo and a 16th placed United. You really are clueless about football.