Euro Draw 2008 Dec. 2

Discussion in 'Euro 2012' started by dav13dav13, Nov 27, 2007.

  1. nutbar

    nutbar New Member

    Apr 22, 2001
    Canada
    I don't know, I think Croatia and Germany will walk away with that group.

    Austria - Germany is a big rivalry though, for the Austrians at least.
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    There's been some complaints over the last couple of days about trolling in this forum.

    Please leave the national stereotypes at home

    Thanks :)
     
  3. (De La)Redstriker06

    May 3, 2003
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    That tournament was co-hosted with The Netherlands who advanced to the semis after winning their group and destroying Yugoslavia 6-1. So the theory stands. Switzerland will advance to the Semis, Austria will probably go out in the groups.
     
  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Italy could easily have been out when you consider the dive to cheat australia and the struggle against a 2nd rate US side.
     
  5. Sagy

    Sagy Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    Even if you are right, they will have a hard time advancing without a big victory over Germany (given your scenario). If the team they lost to wins the Croatia - Poland game, Austria is out. If the game ends in a tie, Austria is either out (if head to head is the first tie breaker) or it comes down to goal differential. If the team that Austria tied wins the Croatia - Poland game then it comes down to GD.
     
  6. gethomas3

    gethomas3 Red Card

    Aug 3, 2007
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    Dude, Italy is better, get over it!

    Do you have any idea how many people have complained about German wins?

    How about Switzerland 1954? Your coach pulled out all of the primary German players out of the Group game against Hungary and instead resorted to violence by kicking and punching. Ferenk Puskas, as a consequence didn't even play the quaterfinal or semifinal. He came in injured to play the final. Why did your coach did that? Because if West Germany would have beaten Hungary, they would face all the teams that came first in the group which meant facing the 1950 World Cup finalists, Brazil and the then-World Champions Uruguay. Hungary came into the last game tired, injured, and exhausted after beating the two forementioned. West Germany was practically given a bye into the final after easy wins over Yugoslavia and Austria. That is why I am not very impressed about the so-called "Miracle of Bern".

    You also talked about Italy vs West Germany in the 1982 final. It wasn't that West Germany were tired...Italy was just really good! What do you expect when your team just finished defeating the two kings of South America?: Argentina, the then-World Champions, and Brazil, who had legends such as Zico, Cerezo, Socrates, Junior, Eder, and Falcao.

    After beating both Argentina and Brazil, Italy were just on an all-time high! The faced Poland in the semifinals for the second time. In the group game, Italy rarely managed a tie against the Poles. But in the wake of its brilliant second-round performance, Italy easily dispatched Poland in the semifinal through two goals from Paolo Rossi, who was reborn in the match against Brazil. BTW, Poland wasn't exatly tired after the second round, neither.

    In 1986, France took on and defeated the only two three-time World Champions, the then-World Champions Italy and Brazil who had basically the same team as in 1982. Two huge games in a row, and going to penalties against Brazil, was obviously a huge and exhausting process. West Germany beat a tired and exhausted France 2-0. To add insult to injury, they RARELY beat Morocco 1-0 in the second round and BARELY made it past Mexico in the quaterfinals in Monterrey (Anyone in CONCACAF can tell you that unless you play Mexico in the Azteca, you will most likely win. Anywhere else and shame on you).

    I can pull more if you want. Just ask.
     
  7. gethomas3

    gethomas3 Red Card

    Aug 3, 2007
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    There is no such thing as merit in football. If you win, you win. If you lose, you lose. Such things as deserving are for childish losers. There is, however, such a thing called robbing someone else.
     
  8. TheBoss84

    TheBoss84 Member

    Jul 16, 2007
    Germany
    The same goes for you my friend.;)
     
  9. guyarthur

    guyarthur New Member

    May 24, 2006
    Germany

    Do you really want to start that crap about whether that was dive or not. No one is able to be objective on that point. Those who dislike Italy say it was a dive. Those who like Italy say it wasn't. And IMO after watching the video countless times, I'm still not sure. And if you still want to argue all I have to do is cut and paste from the old WC forum. But man, how boring would that be?
     
  10. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Well i don't want to get into all that at all - merely pointing out that the wonderful Italian team of 2006 was actually not all that wonderful - and certainly not clearly better than Germany
     
  11. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    Do the Germans EVER get a tough group...?? have they EVER been in a group of death..??
     
  12. Smoga

    Smoga Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Brooklyn, NYC
    I can't help but think that if we had a second round robin phase at the 2006 WC like we did back in the seventies, Italy would not have made it to the finals. But what is better: fairness, or drama? The single elimination format after the group phase certainly makes the WC much more dramatic, but also less able to determine the best team.

    But I disgree that the US team that Italy struggled against was "second rate". They were, certaily, third rate or worse in the Czech game, but against Italy (and I just rewatched that game recently), they played very well, up to their full potential.
     
  13. Schwalker

    Schwalker New Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    Gelsenkirchen/Finja
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Well, yes...There have been tournaments we didn´t win you know :D
     
  14. Smoga

    Smoga Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Brooklyn, NYC
    This is true. The only group close to the "group of death" that I can think of was in the 1958 WC: Germany, Argentina, Czechoslovakia, Northern Ireland. The 1966 one with Argentina, Spain and Switzerland was no too bad either.
     
  15. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    The Germans just seem to get incredibly lucky in the draw....in 2002 they somehow managed to get through to the final without beating a single european team along the way...and the euro teams were nearly 1/2 the field. In fact the only decent team they played was Brazil in the final.....having got through Saudi Arabia,Ireland,Cameroon,Paraquay,USA and S. Korea.....
     
  16. Hrvat

    Hrvat New Member

    Mar 27, 2005
    Zagreb, Croatia
    If there is such a thing, this is a very good draw for Croatia. Playing in Klagenfurt and Vienna is also great news, expect a Croatian invasion (I guess it will be no different with Germans and Poles...). Too bad about the small capacity of the Klagenfurt stadium.

    I definitely expect Croatia to make the second round.
     
  17. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Maybe these aren't all the official "Group of Death" groups but certanly no easy task. In the last two, Germany didn't even make it out of the group stages.

    1988
    West Germany
    Italy
    Spain
    Denmark


    1992
    Netherlands
    Germany
    Scotland
    CIS

    (Italy didn't even qualify so all in all not an easy group)

    1996
    Germany
    Czech Republic
    Italy
    Russia

    (Czechs were a fianlist)

    2000
    Portugal
    Romania
    England
    Germany


    2004
    Czech Republic
    Netherlands
    Germany
    Latvia

    (Dark horse Latvia actually tied Germany)
     
  18. Schwalker

    Schwalker New Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    Gelsenkirchen/Finja
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Euro 1996...Germany. Czechs, Italy and Russia

    Euro 2000...Germany, England, Portugal and Romania
     
  19. Sagy

    Sagy Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    What about Euro 2000, with Portugal, Romania and England? Euro 2004 with Czech Republic and Netherlands (two 1/2 finalists) was also a tough 1st round group. The Euro 1996 group with Czech Republic, Italy and Russia (two finalist) was the best group of the tournament.

    Arguably this is the first time since the Euro changed to 16 teams finals that Germany didn't get the tough group. There is a reasonable argument to be made that in 1996 and 2000 Germany was in the Group of Death.
     
  20. Smoga

    Smoga Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Brooklyn, NYC
    Strange group, most Polish fans feel that it was the best draw possible, especially having Croatia and Austria in there, widely considered (in Poland) the weakest teams from pots one and three. And Austrians seem to fancy their chances as well. I can't wait to see how this group turns out!
     
  21. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas

    But thats just it....they didn't get through either group.
     
  22. Sagy

    Sagy Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    But your question was if they "EVER get a tough group" not if they go though.

    As far as going through, sometime they do, and sometimes they don't.
     
  23. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So that means it's no longer "The Group of Death"??? :rolleyes:
     
  24. FNU

    FNU BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 6, 2007
    Monte Vesuvio
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Is this the 2006 excuses thread? lol Should of, Could of, didn't. You beat Arg. on PKs with a cheat sheet, then you lose in a stadium you've never lost before. Bad karma my friend. And what if Italy did go your route? Well, the WC Final was pretty much that scenario, how did it end?

    And considering head to head, let's not count friendlies because they really don't matter but only for bragging rights. In a major tournament, Germany has never beaten us. That is the monkey on the back.
     
  25. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Exaclty, just like England when it comes to actually qualifying! Somtimes they do, sometimes they don't!
     

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