Euro 2024

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Jun 14, 2024.

  1. PrimoCalcio

    PrimoCalcio Member

    Milan/Napoli
    Italy
    Oct 14, 2019
    I have to admit I was unable to watch many of the matches but my feeling is the Xl has to be between these players:

    Mamardashvili, Donnarumma, Maignan

    Akanji, Rudiger, Van Dijk, Saliba, Cucurella, Theo Hernandez, Kounde, Kimmich (honourable mention to Dumfries perhaps)

    Ruiz, Rodri, Xavi Simmons, Xhaka, Aebischer

    Musiala, Olmo, Williams, Yamal, Guler

    Gakpo, Morata

    My Xl
    Donnarumma; Kimmich, Rudiger, Saliba, Cucurella; Ruiz, Rodri; Williams, Olmo, Musiala; Gakpo

    Perhaps only because I followed Italy closest, but I really thought Donnarumma was inspired, even if I've been critical of him in the past. I simply didn't see anyone performing better than him.
     
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  2. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    #502 Kroos46, Jul 15, 2024
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2024
    To further enrich the thread, I publish the report cards from Kicker magazine. For the Guerin Sportivo ratings of all the matches we will have to wait until August.


    Belgio Slovacchia e Austria Francia.png Croazia Italia e Albania Spagna.png Danimarca Serbia.png Francia Polonia.png Georgia Portogallo.png Georgia Turchia e Belgio Romania.png Germania Scozia.png Germania Ungheria.png Inghilterra Slovenia.png Olanda Austria.png
     
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  3. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
  4. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
  5. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Round of 16
    Austria Turchia.png Francia Belgio.png Germania Danimarca.png Inghilterra Slovacchia.png Italia Svizzera.png Portogallo Slovenia.png Romania Olanda.png Spagna Georgia.png
     
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  6. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Quarter-Finals Spagna Germania.png Inghilterra Svizzera.png Olanda Turchia.png Portogallo Francia.png
     
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  7. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
  8. Krokko

    Krokko Member

    Nov 16, 2011
    Club:
    AIK Solna
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    La Repubblica:
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    Marca:
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    L'Équipe:
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  9. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Il Corriere della Sera
    Spain:
    Unai Simon 7; Carvajal 7, Le Normand 6,5, Laporte 7, Cucurella 7,5; Rodri 7, Ruiz 7; Yamal 7, Olmo 7,5, Nico Williams 8, Morata 7. Sub: Oyarzabal 8, Zubimendi 7. Coach: De La Fuente 8.
    England: Pickford 6,5; Walker 5, Stones 6, Guehi 5, Shaw 5; Mainoo 6, Rice 5; Saka 5, Foden 5, Bellingham 5; Kane 4. Sub: Palmer 7. Coach: Southgate 5,5.
     
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  10. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
  11. Krokko

    Krokko Member

    Nov 16, 2011
    Club:
    AIK Solna
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    #511 Krokko, Jul 15, 2024
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2024
    The final ratings with 18 different sources:

    Spain: Unai Simón 6,30 - Dani Carvajal 6,70, Robin Le Normand 6,40 (83' Nacho), Aymeric Laporte 6,60, Cucurella 6,90, Fabián Ruiz 6,50, Dani Olmo 6,90, Rodri 6,60 (46' Martín Zubimendi 6,20), Lamine Yamal 7,10 (89' Mikel Merino), Nico Williams 7,50, Álvaro Morata 6,20 (68' Mikel Oyarzabal 7,30). - coach: Luis de la Fuente 7,40. = average: 6,71 [first-class]

    England: Jordan Pickford 6,70 - Kyle Walker 5,50, John Stones 5,90, Marc Guéhi 5,50, Luke Shaw 5,60, Declan Rice 5,90, Kobbie Mainoo 5,50 (70' Cole Palmer 6,80), Bukayo Saka 5,80, Phil Foden 5,40 (89' Ivan Toney), Jude Bellingham 6,40, Harry Kane 4,90 (61' Ollie Watkins 5,60). - coach: Gareth Southgate 5,80. = average: 5,81 [mediocre]
     
  12. Krokko

    Krokko Member

    Nov 16, 2011
    Club:
    AIK Solna
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    #512 Krokko, Jul 15, 2024
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2024
    And the average ratings of players/coaches with at least six rated appearances:

    6,99 Luis de la Fuente
    6,93 Dani Olmo (6)
    6,87 Nico Williams (6)
    6,83 Fabián Ruiz (6)
    6,80 Lamine Yamal (7)
    6,60 Rodri (6)
    6,55 Mike Maignan (6)
    6,48 Cucurella, Cody Gakpo (6)
    6,45 Average Spain
    6,33 N'Golo Kanté (6)
    6,30 Unai Simón (6), Jordan Pickford (7)
    6,27 Álvaro Morata (7), Bart Verbruggen (6)
    6,25 William Saliba (6)
    6,22 Theo Hernández, Xavi Simons (6)
    6,20 Ronald Koeman, Mikel Oyarzabal (6), Declan Rice (7)
    6,15 Stefan de Vrij (6)
    6,10 Jules Koundé (6)
    6,07 Marc Guéhi, Virgil van Dijk (6)
    6,05 Average Netherlands, Dayot Upamecano, Nathan Aké, Tijjani Reijnders (6)
    6,04 Average France
    6,03 Robin Le Normand (6), Bukayo Saka (7)
    6,01 Kyle Walker (7)
    6,00 John Stones (7)
    5,99 Average England, Jude Bellingham (7)
    5,95 Memphis Depay (6)
    5,93 Harry Kane (7), Jerdy Schouten (6)
    5,90 Gareth Southgate
    5,82 Didier Deschamps
    5,75 Kieran Trippier (6)
    5,72 Joey Veerman (6)
    5,64 Phil Foden (7)
    5,48 Antoine Griezmann (6)
     
  13. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    XI UEFA

    Mamardashvili; Carvajal, Koundé, Pepe, Cucurella; Rodri, Fabián Ruiz, Kroos, Dani Olmo; Lamine Yamal, Nico Williams.

    It coincides in 8 with the one that came out to me, although they put Koundé who played as a fullback. There were several possibilities: Rudiger, Laporte, Saliba, Akanji.... Here they bet on 4 midfielders without a center forward; I based myself on Spain's tactical design and that's why I put a center forward and for me, the best one was the Georgian. The most difficult thing was to choose the left winger, because Musiala and Gakpo had as many merits as Nico Williams. All three played very well.
     
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  14. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Here are the ratings from the newspaper "L'Equipe"
    Austria Polonia.png Belgio Romania.png Belgio Slovacchia.png Belgio Ucraina.png Croazia Albania.png Danimarca Inghilterra.png Danimarca Serbia.png Francia Austria.png Francia Polonia.png Georgia Portogallo.png
     
  15. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    The Germany - Scotland match was kindly provided to me by @Titanlux Georgia Repubblica Ceca.png Germania Scozia.png Germania Svizzera.png Germania Ungheria.png Inghilterra Serbia.png Inghilterra Slovenia.png Italia Albania.png Italia Croazia.png Olanda Austria.png Olanda Francia.png
     
  16. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
  17. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
  18. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    Source?
     
  19. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Round of 16

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  20. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Quarter-Finals

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  21. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Semifinals and Final

    Olanda Inghilterra.png Spagna Francia.png Spagna Inghilterra.png
     
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  22. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It's the compilation of 18 different sources of Italian, German, francese, Spanish, english, etc... Magazines
     
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  23. TerjeC

    TerjeC Member

    None
    Norway
    Nov 19, 2023
    Norway
    My best XI Euro 2024 (4-2-1-3):
    Oblak - Kimmich, Dias, Saliba, T. Hernández - Rodri, Kroos - Olmo - Yamal, Musiala, N. Williams.
     
  24. TerjeC

    TerjeC Member

    None
    Norway
    Nov 19, 2023
    Norway
    Some thoughts about the tournament: Spain won deservedly, they played the best football, but were lucky they didn't get a penalty against them against Germany (handball, Cucurella). A penalty given would most likely resulted in Germany going through instead of Spain. Cannot understand how that is not seen as handball. But on the other hand it was probably offside (?) just before the handball-situation, so in the end it's probably correct and fair after all.

    Another controversy is the England penalty against Netherlands; I think it's a ridiculous penalty (though the general view among the Norwegian 'experts' is that it was correct). I wasn't too surprised it was given though, considering Germany's 1-0 goal against Switzerland was annulled (personally I don't agree with that one either). In the end I think the best team won the game anyway, and apart from Watkins's goal, England also had a goal annulled for offside, so they were surely looking like the most likely winner at the end there.

    Don't think England were the correct finalist though, I probably rate England as only the sixt or 7th best team of the tournament. And Netherlands should have left after the group stage after their performance against Austria, but the 24-team format saved them.

    The most pathetic prize goes to Belgium/Tedesco for their performance against Ukraine. If they had won the game, they would also have won their group and had a very good chance of reaching the final, but instead they played like cowards, drew 0-0, ended second in the group and luckily went out after playing France in next match. Of course there was a danger of getting knocked out in group stage if they conceded a goal against Ukraine, but the reward for winning was very big, and they have a better team, so it was extremely disappointing to watch their performance in that game.

    In fact the whole round three of the group stage was very disappointing and the worst I have seen in any Euros. In general it's probably the worst Euros I have seen, even though it improved towards the end. I put the blame on the 24-team format. It should be 16 teams playing the tournament. Scotland should be embarrassed for lobbying the 24-team expansion towards UEFA back in 2007-2008.

    Happy England didn't win the final though. Apart from playing very poorly in most matches, and having the easiest route towards the final of the big nations, I think they are so stupid sticking to that mediocrity Southgate. It's a quite attractive position (Thomas Tuchel expressed interest in the job after the sack from Chelsea, for example), but instead of getting a quality manager, they stick with mediocrity. So stupid. And stupidity should not be rewarded with success.
     
  25. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I have no real issues with Saliba - it's like flipping a coin as I said - but I think Rudiger does not belong there (the alliance of course thinks otherwise). SofaScore rates him 7.0 (Scotland), 7.6 (Hungary), 6.9 (Switzerland), 8.2 (Denmark) and 6.8 (Spain). I'd say that is actually about correct on all counts.

    Germany conceded three goals this tournament, aided by the very easy group stage. Rudiger had the own goal against Scotland (and lost possession eight times, which is high for a CB against such opponent). He was sleeping and reacting late at the N'Doyo goal at the 28th minute for Switzerland (saved by Fullkrug in 92th minute). Then famously lost any sense of Merino when Spain scored the winner in extra time. During the entire run of Merino it seemed like Rudiger had no idea where he was.

    His best rated game is against Denmark. I think that is right, from my own judgment. I don't think Rudiger did anything wrong there, but wasn't super impressive either. Before the all-changing cancelled goal and penalty decision there were two major chances for Denmark (in the highlights). At 1:09 Rudiger is positioned imperfectly and reacting late (shot Maehle). Then the counter at 2:35 (careless possession loss by Gundogan), where Hohjlund just didn't lift the ball enough over a diving-to-the-ground Neuer. I'd say Rudiger there also not 100% flawless, not 100% good timing or positioning throughout.

    Many had question about the Sabitzer goal (for 3-2) and Van Dijk in the Austria game, and again, I don't think it is clear (in the two elite games he did play he is without the yellow card the best rated defender of the eight in both games). But he is actually directing and shouting there. His team-mates don't listen or had not the legs any longer against super fit Austrians (in the eyes of Cox, both Austria and Netherlands should have won against France; and England was not better against Netherlands in his eyes either, on twitter, with the latter having the better Xg as well - who knows what happens without biased officiating).

    As for Kroos, despite all the narrative that went completely over the top (also one match commentator in this country), an excellent player and he played well (I don't entirely agree with what @Kroos46 said about this). But it is also someone with marked weaknesses. You saw it here again, against Spain (saved by serial tactical fouling) and against Switzerland, just as a number of previous tournaments for Germany. Which someone as Uli Hoeness knew all too well. There are some really clear weaknesses (Honigstein his Das Reboot book from 2014 profiles all this, look it up) and while I'd say this is maybe not true for the Kroos before 2016 or 2014, it is certainly true for the Kroos of the last eight years and also for Real Madrid since 2017 I'd think.

    Kimmich, Musiala... I don't see the problems. Musiala is one I really like.

    :)
     

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