Pre-match: [EURO 2021 - Group Stage] Germany vs France - 15 June [R]

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by White/Blue_since1860, Jun 8, 2021.

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Predict the result

  1. Germany Win

    47.4%
  2. Germany Lose

    21.1%
  3. Draw

    31.6%
  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The problem is that Germany have to defend against sharp counters on the flanks, but also prevent Griezmann from operating in the half spaces

    I think the idea is to flood midfield with bank of 4, with Mueller ahead of them

    So Kimmich is playing right midfield, - not RWB

    In theory, it will be harder to expose Kroos in this setup, as he is never by himself - either Hummels is with him. or he is protected by the wide midfielders

    The big difference to '18 is germany have sharp countering players themselves in Havertz, Kimmich, Gnabry, Werner, Sane

    So I presume the idea will be to sit deeper and play vertically
     
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  2. White/Blue_since1860

    proudly banned from 5 sub forums
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The players cant sleep because of frogs
    (The puns write themselves)
     
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  3. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well summed up
     
  4. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    As normal your input is spot on
     
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  5. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #30 BorisG, Jun 10, 2021
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2021
    This is what you are saying I think - hahahaha

    WHERE Hummels Pushes up to cover Kroos - Most attack will go over the left wing with Gosens, and Kimmich tracking back and centrally to help cover Griezmann and Mbappe.

    This could work if they fully concentrate for the 90 minutes - basically as you say flooding midfield with up to 6-7 players at a time Or basically with a 4 backline and Hummels as a very deep DM behind Kroos


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  6. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yep, I stated that in one of my previous posts, with this line up the tactical battle will have to be absolutely Spot on
     
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  7. White/Blue_since1860

    proudly banned from 5 sub forums
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I still remember us going into the first game against Holland as huge underdogs with everyone expecting they would shoot us out of the stadium. I was yelling my head off after the Frings goal which at that point was fully deserved btw. This is like 30 minutes into the tournament and Kerner as announcer also yells goal like it's the winning goal of a final

     
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  8. SF19

    SF19 Member

    Jun 8, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Greece
    Kimmich at right-back... that shows Low is giving up the midfield against Portugal and France, meaning Germany will be sitting deep for good spells. Germany can't afford Cristiano and Mbappe to get in behind them. Kimmich is an all rounder and Germany need a dynamo like him in the middle. Muller, Gundogan and Kroos are creative players lacking steel. TBH, those three are not going to better France's midfield and I think Germany should get rid of at least one of them for a more rounded midfielder. Rudiger can't afford to step out of the defense for Germany whenever he wants, so when he does he will need to be an assassin and be ready to put a good hit on Griezmann. Hummels will have to step up because France will be very dominant in the middle of the pitch in terms of quality and numbers. He is too slow to be exposed and needs Rudiger for cover, he has some leeway getting forward.
     
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  9. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm clinging on to the hope that apart from 2018 we normally start tournaments with a real performance, hopefully that trend continues.
     
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  10. dips82

    dips82 Member+

    Oct 11, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    We will beat France by a margin of two goals guys…relax
     
  11. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    A margin of one would be sufficient - actually Goldmann Sachs have predicted we would beat France - but hey we can’t trust a bank can we hahahah
     
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  12. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes Germany will sit deep according to what we can see is going to happen....

    YOu are quie right by your summary _ I think Hummels will play a kind of DM with the faster Rudiger /Gintner covering him. Hummels as a deep lying DM will hopefully disrupt Griezmann enough and Kimmich helping to cover Mbappe.

    Anyway I think thats the idea more or less.- Although if we now sit so deep , we would need fast players up front to act on the counters = not sure how fast Havertz is? So I would also consider Werner with Gnabry - Werner is brutally fast and he can run behind the French lines with his speed... yes his finishing is not he best .

    Jogi can substitute 5 times - so He could even start Werner for the first 30 minutes if he wants to : coaches with this 5 players substitution policy must not always wait until the 60th minute. Well Werner could come in later as well , but would give him a try - because of his speed.
     
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  13. p to the wees sister

    Burnley
    Botswana
    Jun 5, 2021
    If we have more sex than France the night before, then we will win the game. Afternoon sex does not count.
     
  14. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I guess there is no point in discussing any tactical options for any other possible games until we have played France. I guess nothing matters until then. Portugal and Hungary at this point don't matter..... but just one small comment though .

    IF we do okay against France and Portugal (e.g 4 points ) I would like Jogi to try a few other things, at least part of the game as subs.
    Goretska, Volland, Sule come to mind here and Kimmich back in DM.
     
  15. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Don't be a Koala bear
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Remember that this is not club football, so we are unlikely to see complex pressing systems etc - there is no time to develop them.

    If France follow their '18 approach, they won't be pressing the German team high, but rather sitting back and playing on the counter.

    Germany are also unlikely to be so possession oriented as '18
     
  17. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Anyone deairing enough to do any predictions on this game?

    So as its the first game of the tourney for both and they will both play very safe , until some one scores- then they have to open the game to at lest get a draw.

    Germany always concedes a goal... mhhhhhhhh So I think I will go with a
    1-1 draw.
     
  18. Blueberry_night

    Blueberry_night Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    We comfortably will win 2-0
     
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  19. Stanislaw

    Stanislaw Member

    Jul 5, 2016
    Poland
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    2-1 for France (but I always prefer to predict the negative ending so then I can be pleasantly dissapointed).
     
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  20. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    yeahh man.....
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Boring 1-1 draw
     
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  22. White/Blue_since1860

    proudly banned from 5 sub forums
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  23. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    2-0 France.
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah in this system hummels and Kroos are the pivots in possession

    Out of possession it'll be interesting to see how the midfield plays - i wonder how much germany will press if at all
     
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  25. Ator

    Ator Member

    SC Freiburg
    Germany
    Mar 19, 2021
    3:1 France, although I also like predicting negative endings to be pleasantly disappointed!
     
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