No wonder people thinking twice before throwing their hard earned money into this country. And no humanity and human rights aren't German, they're universal goods. But it seems a dead loss to discuss any further. Dream on. I just hope no European Politician is supporting Yanukovich.
I'm so tired of explaining the situation... You seem to be stuck with your bullshit .... Me and other people here have written that it is not a matter of humanity and human rights... These values are respected in Ukraine... But Tymoshenko isn't the case of shouting out these stuff..... You've heard that by several Ukrainians, who knows the situation better... And you are still unable to understand anything.......You still believe more to YOUR media and leaders, than people who actually live in the country and feel the situation.... How can you be so ignorant? It seem to be some German thing... to always believe their leaders (see 1939-1945).
I'm gonna try not to follow this thread anymore...... If you were interested in knowing the situation and having some interesting debate - sure.... But you aren't even listening, you keep on shouting out the same things, regardless what people living in Ukraine tells you.... Of course you know everything better than people living in the country, since you are Germans... German leaders never lie... neither does German press....German values are always best..... And Germans does always know the situation best....... So you don't care of what Ukrainian people say about reality in their country.... The only thing you care for is what your media says..... If you hate Ukraine so much, please start some kind of anti-ukrainian organization or join Christophers Day with placard saying "boycott Ukraine, support Gay Germany instead". Do whatever you want to... Hate us as much you want... BUT, this is a football forum.....
What's the matter with Tymoshenko? I give a shit on her personally. Do you even understand that it's not a question of guilty or not guilty? Do you even understand that there are hundreds of other politicial prisoners?
Hundreds of political prisoners in Ukraine.... lol...... I can't even imagane what kind of bullshit you read there in Gemrnay: " hundreds of political prisoners are behind bars in Ukraine"..... Bullshit, dude.... In Belarus, yes, China, yes, Russia, yes..... in Ukraine? hahahaha .... You know nothing about Ukraine.... You really don't have a clue about anything here in Ukraine.... you just read and you believe.... no critical thinking or reasearch.... If there are hundreds.... can you please tell me at least 3.
Let alone 40 of the former government and supporters. And that's just the pretty famous guys. Just one source because I've to work http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/9/prweb8787206.htm
Hereby I write a complete explanation of what I think about situation. Hopefully German haters here can find it interesting, and it will change their view somehow.. Yanukovich is a corrupt politician, who is hated by most Ukrainians... although they've chosen him in free elections two years ago..... I agree that he is taking country in the wrong direction, which I do not support..... Nevertheless, it doesn't matter how much I dislike him..... Those kind of thing you read in German press are very exaggerated.... Ukraine is still a democratic country who respects human rights. Thanks for that....... The things you read about Tymoshenko and other bullshit "hundreds of political prisoners"... lol.... it's bullshit.... It's just a way for your leaders to gain PR and avoid attention to your own problems.... EU-cricis at the moment, which loses the reliance of people to EU... So now, Germany tries to show the benefits of the EU by pointing out it's humanity and concentrating on a problem for a country outside EU......... Ukraine has got way to much attention, it's very exaggerated......... Yanukovich is a dick, yes.... But the attention Ukraine got is not proportional to the actions of Yanukovich...... I really dislike him believe me, I'm oppositional myself. But even I think that he got way to much shit from Germany, undeserved shit... That's why I tell you, that your politicians are trying to get PR... and that the things in Ukraine are not that serious as they try to image it in German press..... They would never get so much attention if it wasn't EURO, and it was cricis in EU.... So makes a great way for Germany and other EU countries to get free commercial space to gain some PR, and at the same time avoid attention from their (very big) own problems.......................... Smart huh? Very smart. Unfortunately most European readers doesn't seem to be so smart, and believe everything they read... Very pitty....
Who says they're political? Tymoshenko is not a political prisoner. She was a subject to CRIMINAL investigation and a fully lawful criminal trial. Is this what passes for "political"? I do not know who the other 40 are. But if they are anything like Tymoshenko then we have to review what "political persecution" means.
...Please....... "making up". Are you kidding with me???????????? Dear God.... Don't embarass yourself... You really don't know anything. Can you askyourself why Ukraine is paying 60 % more for Russian gas than Germany and EU pays?.. although gas goes through Ukraine as a transit country... Shouldn't we pay much less? Ask yourself.... The answer is that Tymoshenko signed this agreement with Russia, which gave her millions in her own pockets... but Ukraine is now bound by this agreement... So Ukrainian people have to pay much more for the energy, making us worse off... just due to her agreement, where she didn't care about the country and signed it in her own personal interests ...... This is pretty much a crime, it's nothing "making up"... Then recall also Pavlo Lazarenko, a man Tymoshenko cooperated with in the 90's. This man was found guilty for corruption by US court and sentenced with 9 yrs imprisonment. This man stole more than 200 000 000 US dollars from Ukraine.... He cooperated closely with Tymoshenko.......It's a known fact..... So please, don't try to make her some kind of political prison or Mandela...... She is a criminal... It doesn't matter how much you hate Yanukovich, but accusation of Tymoshenko is correct..... So before you express yourself, get aware of the facts... Otherwise you are just embarrasing yourself by telling everybody that you believe everything you read and do not know anything. What is happening in the EU press right now is awful... They are making a criminal thief into a politically repressed hero..... Just because she is a woman doesn't make her good... She is criminal.
dude, why are you even trying? f*ck this German a%$hole....he's clearly brainwashed, naive and retarded. stop wasting your precious time.
I can only comment from what I see and know. Pylyp has been a great help with information on these threads for people who WANT to travel to Ukraine for the FOOTBALL. I have been a victim of media lies in the past that they didn't care to correct them because it was yesterday's news and it sold papers at the time. The media (and other corporations) run the circus and politicians are just their puppets. Bad news and fear sells !!! I am going to Ukraine ... not to follow a particular team, as my tickets were bought before the draw, but to go open minded to a country I have never visited and probably wouldn't have done but for the Euro's. I have no preconceived ideas or expectations on standards and will choose to return again one day, or no,t depending on experiences ... my own experiences.
Lol of course it's not. It's about German politicianseading you guys on pretending to give a crap about human rights and then kneeling before Putin to kiss his hand and beg for some more gas.
I've been to L'viv (Lemberg to us Germans). Beautiful city with a strong Austro-Hungarian flair. Politics sure wouldn't stop me from visiting. After all, I was never in favour of any measures other than our leaders not going.
Well, our president was a civil-rights activist in the anti-communist revolution in 1989. There's no question that he deeply cares about human rights. And he was the first to cancel his visit.
I´m not particularly enthusiastic about all the "brainwashed germans"-stuff in this thread, but let me say this from a critical german perspective: This whole Timoshenko-Boycott thing was a PR coup by the newly elected german president. Gauck is a pronounced lover of neoliberal politicians, especially in former socialist countries. He was elected by an 80% (or 85%, I don´t really care) vote. The best result for any german president since Wilhelm Pieck in the socialist GDR. The man surfs on an unjust reputation as a freedom fighter. He has been facing quite a bit criticism from the german internet community and from people not organized in the ruling parties for his spiteful comments on the "Occupy"-movement. President Gauck is against anything that is not super-turbo-capitalistic. It also unthinkable for most germans that corrupt politicians could actually end up behind bars. Merkel actually came into power in her party, when a huge corruption scandal had proven, that her predecessors where basically bought by large german companies. Noone was punished, at least not to prison sentences. This whole thing is a political farce, nothing more, a mise-en-scene by the conservative german media, and Gauck. I don´t even think Merkel really cares about any of this. I do believe there is a strong element of consent in the german press, a strong will to submit to that consent among germans, but I haven´t seen anything different in other countries, european or not. And then there is always dissent.
thanks for a neutral, unbiased perspective. now, tell this to Dage....with his brainwashed Western mentality.
As I trust you full well know, calls for a political boycott come from across the political spectrum. It's worth noting that the centre-left leader of the opposition was one of the first. How you portray the situation is simply misleading. It's also worth noting that the political boycott involves many countries and the EU itself. It's by no means just Germany. It's also worth noting that Azerbaijan, this year's host of the Eurovision Song Contest, has been subject to similar scrutiny as the Ukraine. Nowadays, hosting high-profile events simply always entails that one receives a lot of scrutiny.
One reason why some fans are staying at home: This wouldn't stop me personally. But were I say gay or not Caucasian, I might decide the way the Walcotts have. And who could honestly say they'd have nothing to worry...?