Discussion in 'Euro 2012' started by WhiteStar Warriors, Apr 30, 2012.
In what way not trying to hide that you are corrupt, horrible and an arsehole justifies you? Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi were pretty blatant too and they ended up killed by their own people.
For the benefit of those that you do not tell about how corrupt he is, here is an example: he set about destroying a forest (conservation area?) of Kiev to build himself a private helicopter pad, and a private road from it to his home. Add the amount of tax payers money that he is spending on himself. This puts him at the level of those loony leaders in countries like Azerbaijan.
I think what RC is trying to say is that Yanukovich is what he is. We all know what he is. No more no less. Tymoshenko has managed to corrupt the very freedom that the West thought she stood for. She made herself out to be this adorable darling of freedom, of Orange Revolution. But, in reality, she was nothing more than another oligarch in charge of a special interest clan to trade freedom for personal gain (a very considerable gain, too)
If that's what you want I guess sure.
I am still mystified as to why some people think that knowing how corrupt a leader is, added to the fact that he does not deny it, is an acceptable state of affairs.
Define acceptable state of affairs?
He of course denies it himself. He's just too stupid to hide it well. Tymoshenko is not stupid. On the contrary she is incredibly sly and intigellent. That's why everyone loves her and not Yanukovich. Because he's a blundering idiot.
Croatia fans playing "baby fascist"
I suppose being a "White Nationalist" to varying degrees is sorta in now in Europe and north America.
In what part of north America is being a white nationalist in?
That's what I was wondering.
You can call me a racist on this one, but, .......... maybe in Jamaica
LOL. Well here you go, your lovely country in the spotlight:
Journalists BALL stolen by police in Ukraine! By Nuno Paralvas
The reporting team of The Ball was the victim of extortion by the Ukrainian police in Lviv, when he traveled in the early hours of last Thursday, after the match between Portugal and Denmark, to the hotel.
The reporting team of The Ball finished the work in Lviv Arena, host to the Denmark-Portugal, shortly after one o'clock (two hours in Portugal) and went to the city center for dinner. At the end of the meal, around three in the morning, went to the hotel, but the traffic in the area closed earlier forced a detour that would lead to an operation stop.
Once detected the cap right wheel of the car rental in the news team followed was broken there was alcohol test, which in Ukraine is simply blowing agent. This took two steps back and began to say vodka, vodka, suggesting drunkenness. Just speaking Ukrainian, despite knowing some English words (which are very useful), began by pointing to the arm. I was informed it would take blood tests.
They began to talk about "money, money." Were asking 500 euros, but the team only had 160 THE BALL. For over one hour was conducted by the city, pressed to raise money in the ATM. Coercion only ended when it became difficult for the police to dissimulate. But took the money ...
Do the police in Ukraine like to "hold your passport for safekeeping" and then charge you a fee for their services?
By law in Ukraine you are not allowed to consume any alcohol and operate a motor vehicle. So if they were drinking and driving that's on them.
Talk about selective reading there guy. The article didn't say anything about anybody failing a breathalyzer test. Did you read the part where the police extorted the journalist team for money? Tried to get 500 euros but only ended up with 160? And if they were drinking and driving in what country is it common to extort them for money and not arrest them instead? Is that a law in Ukraine too?
Well what does this mean
"Once detected the cap right wheel of the car rental in the news team followed was broken there was alcohol test, which in Ukraine is simply blowing agent."
I tried to be selective in my reading if only because I could barely understand anything in the article you posted.
In what country is it common for the police to extort money? Most of them. First world policing standards are quite often taken for granted by many who have t traveled much off the beaten path.
You pay the police in Ukraine because you don't want to go to jail and because they don't make enough money to buy their uniforms. That 160 euros they got probably doubled their monthly salary.
If the drivers of the car were actually drinking they should consider themselves lucky to have gotten off with a fine rather than being taken to a ukranian jail and held there until a judge got around to hearing a case. Which without a suitable bribe would take a long time.
LMFAO....I just love it how you're spinning this as a positive hahaha.. You have a great future in politics man. HAHAHA!!
It's not really positive or negative just the way life is there.
500 euros is excessive but the cops in Ukraine will charge based on how wealthy they think you are. Foreigners obviously are regarded as always being wealthy. A wealthy Ukrainian might drop 100-200 dollars on a DUI stop at minimum.
It just seems extreme because we aren't used to that system.
In United States, when they stop you for a DUI they truly drop a hammer on you. If I am ever stopped for Driving Under Influence, I'd rather this happen in Ukraine.
Acceptable state of affairs:
- The winning candidate does not win by cheating
- The winning candidate does not face justice for having sex with an under-age girl
- The winning candidate does not steal tax payers money for himself
- The winning camdidate does not silence the opposition by throwing them in prison, especially when he could be in prison himself (re the above)
That kind of thing
So sex with under-age girls is acceptable to you but facing justice isn't?
I've heard and seen reports of my mates who are in Kharkov. Nothing but good vibes from them about the Ukraine. Kharkov has been very friendly and kind to them. They're saying they're having a great time with the locals who all seem to party along with the Oranje army. Dutch supporters play friendly games against Ukrainians, they sing and dance together.
The Oranje parade on match day to the stadium is a big happening in Kharkov now. At several times, the parade halts at places to play the Ukrainian anthem as a sign of respect to the hosts. Mutual respect and a lot of fun. The way it should be.
Just thought I'd share this since the ( sensation driven ) press is looking for other things.
You know what I mean, don't be silly
With only one game to go, as it seems, once again BBC and brittish media has failed misserably in their intents to jeopardize a tournament, not held in their country.
I wonder where is Mr.Campbell now, as brittish media sure is focussing their atention on the same "suposed problems from here", but within Brazil 2014, now.......
Maybe they should look into the reports of people being illegally evicted from their apartments in London. Would be an interesting story for Panorama.
To play the Sol Campbell, guy who is completely ignorant of the country of which he is being asked to comment on, I volunteer.
"I'd tell people not to go to London at all. You might come back and find yourself evicted. It's just not worth it."
You may just have to jump out of a third story window as jolly looters set fires to the stores on ground floor.
I saw on CNN this weekend a topic about the anticipated troubles I mentioned in my post before the Euro's took off and that these didnot materialize, especially in the Ukrain.
Now we can wait two years and than see the same culprits take a shot at Brasil and how dangerous it is to go there with all the criminals from the favelas targeting the football lovers.
Was nice how ever to see CNN give the Ukrain top star player the possibility to be proud of how they managed the tournement over there.