Eric Wynalda's "Howard Beale moment": FSC employees rant against MLS at the NSCAA Convention

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by xbhaskarx, Jan 13, 2012.

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  1. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kensington, stick around a few more years and you'll find endless complaining about MLS.
     
  2. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uh.... on second thought, given your command of the facts, maybe it would be best to decline the debate challenge so you don't follow up your Howard Beale moment with a Rick Perry moment.

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  3. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry Eric, pointing out that your planned schedule is 31 weeks compared to the current 39 week MLS schedule isn't being a jackass, its being able to look at a calendar and count.
     
  4. Pablo Chicago

    Pablo Chicago Member+

    Sep 7, 2005
    Sweet Home Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow. You've managed to illustrate you're a hypocrite in less than 140 characters. Impressive.

    ...and if there was any doubt, you hammer the point home an hour later.

    Takes me back to the time my neighbor stopped by while I was watching the WC in 2006. He wasn't in the room 5 minutes when he asked, "Who's Mr. Know-It-All?"
     
  5. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGJO8fffmTc"]Betze Legends 1992/93: 1.FC Saarbrücken vs. 1.FC Kaiserslautern - YouTube[/ame]

    Don't worry Wynalda! I still remember! (2:03)

    Honestly, don't you guys think this a bit much about nothing? His idea's may be out there ,but, he really cares. I don't think his character should be questioned. It's Fine if you disagree (like I do).

    And yeahm forums by definition can be pretty mean spirited to the subject of their discussions. This thread definitely has been.
     
  6. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1992/93

    Date of Birth
    May 5th, 1992 (19)

    Dude, you are 19, you do not "still remember" something that happened in Germany the year you were born...

    But more importantly, that is completely irrelevant aside from that it gives Wynalda a bigger soapbox than your average clueless person. There is a big difference between having an understanding of soccer on and off the field (see Ruud Gullit, Villas-Boas, etc).
     
  7. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    You't never know until you actually do it so its business analysis based.
    What if its never happens due to the weather.
    And what about more TV competition with NFL, College Football and College Basketball.
    For sake of arguement if answer to question 1 is greater than 2 but you have a hard time televising your games? Doesn't that enter into equation?
     
  8. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For anyone who wants to try:

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1870989
     
  9. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bets on how long this will last?
     
  10. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't remember finding a youtube clip? ;)

    Of course I disagree with him but this is just turning a ant hill into a mountain.
     
  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Be sure to Remember the Alamo and the Maine while you're at it...
     
  12. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you. Must spread rep.
     
  13. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be far, it's not always that a "regular" feels "you're a moron because you don't agree with me." It's more often, "You're a moron because your position is unsupportable, or flies in the face of the facts, actual experience, common sense or all three."

    And Waldo has apparently now quit Twitter over this. He's not exactly Galileo in all this, is he?

    And, oddly enough, those countries in the Southern Hemisphere who adhere to the (cough cough) international calendar play through their summers as well.
     
  14. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    you're obsessed

    for a guy you think is crazy you sure like to know what he's saying
     
  15. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Sure. But changing the calendar isn't necessarily one of them.

    MLB has been maturing for over 120 years and it has always played through the summer.

    The NFL is nearing a century and has always been a fall into winter league.

    It's possible MLS could try a different schedule, but it's equally possible that it won't. I don't see any inevitability here.
     
  16. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not very long. Wynalda is the US soccer version of Charlie Sheen. He called me out on twitter for asking someone on Big Soccer who saw him in a restaurant about an obscure Harkes reference. It was so buried in a Houston forum thread that all I can think is he goes home, rants about Big Soccer posters, then does a search for his name and gets back on it.

    The guy is delusional. You'd have to have an intervention and some mental counseling specialists to sit down and go over his last 60 days of tweets and make some sense out of it.

    His twitter account reminds of Adam Sandler's lengthy "lost puppy" answer at the end of the Billy Madison movie. We are all dumber for spending time reading Wynalda's tweets.
     
  17. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Absolutely. (there's no inevitability as to what MLS will or won't decide to do with their business and operations.)

    And for as much as MLS is "similar to" both the NFL and MLB, there are things that separate the business (and global marketplace) for soccer that may cause MLS to blaze a slightly different trail than those historical paths of the NFL and MLB (perhaps or especially in terms of maintaining a seasonal scheduling consistency).
     
  18. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    It is possible for MLS teams to (continue to) play friendly and exhibition matches in the summer, even if that period becomes an off-season or a pre-season.

    Starting a season in the early fall and ending it in the late spring doesn't mean that summer club soccer will disappear or be impossible. And there's regularly international soccer in the summer to potentially hold one's interest and to fill such league off-season periods.


    Does playing through their (Southern Hemisphere) summers cause them to play league matches through World Cups or against regular extended Fifa international periods?
     
  19. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Absolutely, there are challenges and concerns in many (or all) MLS markets. But not all markets get Denver's weather (although a fair number of MLS markets do have harsh Decembers and late-Febs/early-Marches).

    MLS will likely only make (or try to make) operational decisions that will be overall positives for their full business.
     
  20. ryanknapp

    ryanknapp New Member

    May 6, 2009
    Club:
    Sevilla FC
    re: NSCAA Session Taping - we do not video record lecture sessions but we do audio record most of them. I do not know for a fact if Eric's session was recorded and will be released for purchase, but I'll take a look in the office and get back to everyone.
     
  21. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    Are you sure similar sentiments are not expressed elsewhere, or are you assuming? Previously in these discussions I remember people rhetorically asking if they had such debates in Russia. They very much did have these debates in Russia, and they sounded exactly like the debates that happen in the US soccer community on this issue. And Russia's now switching to a fall-spring calendar.

    From what I've seen, much of the fan bases in leagues around the world have inferiority complexes vis a vis the top 4-5 leagues in the world. It's not just American soccer fans. Many of those folks are on the lookout for ways their leagues can be more like the Premieship, La Liga, etc.

    I am not saying the powers that be should cave in to this thinking, in this issue or any other. But I've never understood the suggestion that such thinking is unique, or nearly unique, to American soccer fans and that fans of all other leagues are content in their leagues remaining exactly as they have always been in every way.
     
  22. RaveGreen

    RaveGreen Member

    Seattle Sounders FC
    Apr 6, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What bothers me about this is that Wynalda appears not to know the difference between an assertion and an argument. The first, who gives a shit? Give us the latter, Eric.

    I think it's just hilarious that after his HBM he backs down and says it's his opinion, not Fox's, about how changing the schedule would make a difference.
    Wait, so Wynalda is saying that if a player acts like a jerk, he can't be "sensational."

    I'd be careful there, Waldo.
     
  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS is scared of Wynalda and doesn't want him getting publicity?

    So then Wynalda will definitely be taking them up on this offer, right?

    And what happens to your conspiracy theory if the MLS podcast does mention Wynalda's crazy rant?
     
  25. RaveGreen

    RaveGreen Member

    Seattle Sounders FC
    Apr 6, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Simply mentioning it without having him to defend his position on would be weak. Very weak.
     

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