Weird - this thread just appeared for no reason in my subscribed threads. But thanks for the info -- I actually was wondering last night when it was. I'm not totally hooked, but I thought it was okay last season.
      With work and all that, I've only had time to watch the first half of last season, even though I still have every single episode recorded. I guess I'll have to record tonight's episode as well and watch it later in order. -G
If there is a God, Gene Roddenberry will convince him to immediately follow the season premier with the series finale. Enterprise is a horrible show, and until I saw it, I thought nothing could be worse than the 1st 2 seasons of Voyager and the last 2 seasons of DS9. JMac
Those last two seasons sucked ass. All they did was take World War 2 and put it into the future. Very Lame Stuff. Did anybody see the new Twlight Zone that was on after that? It was pretty good, especially the first story. Definitely worth watching for a second week to make a judgement on how good the series is.
Couple of problems with this. First, by saying 'the 1st 2 seasons of Voyager,' you erroneously imply that the show got better in season three. When in fact, the show was crap from episode 1 to 177. It started out promisingly, with the crew stranded across the Galaxy, without many of their technological advantages, and the opportunity to explore strange new worlds (sounds familiar), but turned into six years of unremitting boredom. Second, the Dominion War was the best development in the franchise since the Wrath of Khan. DS9 was the dark sister of the family and Gene would've never signed off on that course. For reasons known only to him, he wanted no story arcs, sparse conflict, personal exploration, totally altruistic humans, one word: boring. When it was the episodes about battle that were the most interesting, e.g. Balance of Terror, The Devil's Day, Yesterday's Enterprise, The Best of Both Worlds, etc. The War, Section 31, racism, and God forbid, imperfect humans. Those were what made DS9 interesting. The episode when Sisko deceitfully embroils the Romulans in the War is, in my opinion, the best episode in the history of the Trek.
The whole of DS9's final 2 season's went against everything that Trek was about. It took current issues (War, Religion) and amplified them onto the futuristic scene. I found the stories weak and boring, if not completely predictable. As for the comment on Voyager, aside from the obvious visual enhancement gained by adding Jeri Ryan to the cast, the stories got much better after the first 2 seasons. Not great, mind you, but MUCH better. (I loved the story with the 2 Ferengi. As for an example from the "Dark seasons" remember when they found Amelia Earhart?) JMac
Anybody see that new preview for the next movie coming out? To me it seems, that each new Star Trek movie is more and more an action movie, and less sci-fi. But who cares? It should be good anyway.
While I can't deny the National Merit Scholar and former Miss Illinois made for some nice furniture, I always thought she was added to match Terry Farrell. And though I normally prefer blondes, I have to say my vote goes with Farrell. Hell, I think Roxann Dawson is hotter too. The only reason Ryan got more press is that she was on the network (barely, it's UPN) show, while TF toiled in syndication. What's more, DS9 had the franchise's best actor and most interesting character (in my opinion) in Avery Brooks. I think that in many ways, DS9 went to places Rod wanted to go, but network censors wouldn't allow. Also, he would've done so differently. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" uses a metaphor to imply what "Far Beyond the Stars" states emphatically. The problem with VOY is that the characters. Were. So. Damned. Boring.
As for Nemesis, I hope it pans out. The Romulans were always my favorite aliens. The most complex. "Do I contradict myself? Very well. I do. I am multi-faceted." Unfortunately I get the sinking feeling it will be a slightly more shoot-em-up version of Insurrection. In that case, God help us. I don't think we should argue though. DS9, VOY, ENT. They're all better than Babylon 5. "All alone in the night." "We have drawn a line against the darkness." "One last stand against the night." Shut the fu...
While I'm a big fan of DS9, and I think Brooks is a great actor (and let's not forget DS9 also featured Louise Fletcher of One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest fame), I'd have a hard time comparing any of their acting chops to Patrick Stewart. I have to agree that he's the most interesting character, though. Also, DS9 had the franchise's WORST actor (yes, worse than Wesley Crusher) in Cirroc Lofton.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Jake was such a putz! As for best actor, while I like Brooks, he falls 2nd to a number of the actors from TNG, most notably, Stewart, Frakes, Dorn and Spiner. JMac
Spiner I'll give you in addition to Stewart. But Frakes is a giant tool, and both he and Dorn have spent almost their entire careers playing exactly one character. (Factoid: His first movie role was as Apollo Creed's bodyguard in Rocky.) Frakes gets some credit for branching out into directing, but that doesn't make him a good actor in my book. Plus he went to Harvard, which really eliminates any chance of me having a good opinion of him.
I won't dispute that Frakes and Dorn have had pretty one sided careers, but as far as acting in a Trek series, I like their performances better than Brooks. Is it true that Dorn's little brother was in The Rock? JMac
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but after watching the season premiere - I have to ask: Are they real?
> "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" uses a > metaphor to imply what "Far Beyond the Stars" > states emphatically. "Battlefield" wasn't metaphor. It was obvious and trite. I thought the first few seasons of DS9 were best (especially the 4-episode story at the end of the first season and the start of the second). My favorite episodes were "The Visitor" and "The Quickening", both of which always bring a tear to my eye. I didn't think the Dominion War in DS9 was all that great, although the Klingon war was even worse. War arcs are too easy a way to create the feeling of importance. It was just a way for the writers to relax. While there were some good episodes in there, some of them were really bad. "The Siege of AR-558" was one of my least favorite Trek episodes. Unlike obviously bad episodes like "Spocks Brain" or "Threshhold", "AR-558" was one lie after another designed to tug at your heart. Something like that really has no place in Trek at all. And the war episodes really wrecked a great character in Gul Dukat. Enterprise is worse than Voyager. I still watch Voyager re-runs. I don't even bother watching most first-run Enterprise episodes.
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree because "The Siege of AR-558" was one of my favorite episodes. If only because it had the guy who uttered the line, "Casey ******************ing Ryback?" If you want to say DS9 ended weakly, I'd buy that. I thought the last six episodes were abrupt, and that they seemed unprepared for the finale. I would have prefered that the War not end, that the series end with it continuing. But that's me.