English players Dual Nationality thread

He must be seriously considering it. Choose a country where he might play the odd tournament or play for a country where he will play regularly at tournaments with a very talented squad. He can play left back too which is a massive bonus.

 

Why suicide because England have plenty of quality right backs? A lot of your players are english, didn't stop you from taking them. Not nice when it possibly happens to you is it?

 

And brooks was in the English system as he played in the under 20 world cup final just before you pinched him. A lot of your players choose you as they have very little chance with england. To be honest all your players bar one or two are in the English system as they came through the english football youth ranks

 

IMO Neco wouldn’t get in the England team. He’d be the understudy to TAA for club as well as hypothetical country. 99% of Welsh players come through English clubs anywho and Neco had his education in Wales. You’d probably find that the majority of Welsh people have part English parentage as well (without looking into stats), so I wouldn’t say Neco Williams is any more exceptional in that respect than anyone else, but I appreciate the point that people can feel identity to more than one country.

Roverman... Brooks won player of the invitational Toulon Tournament playing for England, not world cup. He’d have almost certainly been offered at least a u20 cap after that.

Yeah I know we have a lot of English born players. But by the same token you guys had/have foreign born Oko-Flex, Cirkin, Chalobah, Hargreaves, Le Tiss and Le Saux to name but a few. Moroever there was clamour to get Leon Bailey as well as Nzonzi, Almunia and Arteta a while back. Karamoko Dembele who was almost entirely Scotland (played in their team before England came a-knocking) raised.

Therefore find it hypocritical for you to have a go about ‘nicking’ players while you guys do it too (3 cap Irish international Declan Rice, educated internationally by Ireland u16 and above). Of course smaller countries such as Ireland and ourselves are going to do it more often, because of our small pool of players. But lets not pretend that England don’t do it. Everyone country does.

The only noteable players we’ve lost so far are Ryan Shawcross and Hargreaves, (CPFC Jadan Raymond dual qualified in your system as well). the FAW have a solid system currently in place. Bar Paul Dum*et there is really good buy-in.

The FAW used to (probs still do) encourage the likes of Ampadu, Matondo etc to attend English camps as well.

Roverman, you sound like you’re annoyed that Messi and CR7 haven’t declared for England yet!

 

A lot of our foreign born England players have been brought up in England from an early age. Big difference to choosing a country you have never been to just because you have an English parent/grandparent

 

it’s a case by case situation I guess. For example loads of Kosovo players have never lived there, they identify as Kosovan all day long (i think Shaquri and Xhaka do too).
For me, I couldn’t care if a player was born on Mars as long as he put in the effort and bought into playing for us that’s fine by me (Kieffer Moore’s a cult hero already) as was Robson-Kanu (England u20 cap) for obvious reasons before him. And anyway, they have Welsh blood so why not?

 

Vaulks, don't waste your time, he won't listen or take anything you say on board.

 

I understand that. But if a player like neco Williams wants to choose England because he feels more affinity towards them then you just have to accept it. I have no doubt though that Giggs will include him in his next squad to tie him to wales

 

The next competitive matches are the Euros, so won’t be ‘tied down’ in the March friendlies. I think/hope this is a non starter anyway, the England youth coaches would have been at the game anyway having a look at Curtis Jones and Harvey Elliot. But it will be used as leaverage to give him a cap. An injury to Gunter or Roberts and he’ll 100% be on the plane to Baku for the Euros.

I’m surprised you aren’t against England looking at Neco Williams, given the percieved distain when Wales or another country have a look at other granny rulers. A few pages ago your were having a go at Nigeria for looking at Lookman and co.

 

Because I have already stated Williams has been in England a long time. Lookman has probably never even been to nigeria. It's a bit different

 

Yes he’s played for Liverpool a long time, but he’s been educated in Wales throughout I believe. He probably lived at home due to the relatively close proximity of Wrexham and Liverpool. My father works in England, as Neco does, but he wouldn’t consider himself English. I have a feeling I should’ve taken JRSG’s advice on board....

 

He'd have to be an exceptional talent just for that. England have Alexander Arnold (Liverpool) Walker (Man City), Trippier (Ath Madrid), Wan Bissaka (Man Utd), James (Chelsea) all in the mix currently. Personally I think James is an outstanding talent and will be as good as TAA. Then there's also the likes of Aarons, Lamptey and Laird coming through who look highly talented. Williams would be crazy to declare for England in my opinion.

 

I'd add Livramento. Long way to go but he looks promising.

 

Don't forget Bogle at Derby too.

 

Neco Williams is as English, or based on two grandparents more English, than Woodburn, Ampadu, Mepham, HRK, Vokes, Johnson, Smith, Roberts, Moore etc etc are Welsh. The granny rule is a bit of a sham so doesn't mean he should be able to play for us......birth place of grandparents doesn't give you UK citizenship rights so there is no reason it should be the basis of eligibility criteria for home nations....but the rules apply equally both ways, its hypocritical to say otherwise.
Welsh fans like to conveniently forget to that Brooks chose England over Wales when he had a straight choice between the two.

 

You make some good points but Le tiss and Le Saux weren't foreign born. I believe they are from the channel islands and as such has a british post code and no international football team of their own.

 

Yeah, I tend to agree. It would be surprising if he chose to switch, but hardly appalling.

 

This isn't true.

He always wanted to play for Wales. England called him up for Toulon and he accepted before the Wales call-up came through. Out of respect, he agreed to play for England because he'd already said he would. As soon as the tournament was over, he only considered playing for Wales.

 

To be brutally honest though, out of respect he should have declined the option of representing a Country he had no intention of playing for in the first place if he didn’t want to play for England imo. It just wasted a spot in England’s squad that could have gone to someone else to gain the experience. I understand when players are torn who to represent but in his case it seemed pretty clear he always wanted to play for Wales.

 

That argument made no sense then and makes no sense now. If he was really focused on his future Wales career then its a little hard to believe that he would have been that concerned about matters of call up etiquette, there was nothing stopping him accepting the Wales call up instead.
It just doesn't ring true and yet due to his subsequent career direction he was obliged of course to generate an excuse to explain his actions and that seemed the most convenient. Doesn't make it any more plausible though.

 

It makes perfect sense.

 

You're basing the timeline on when you saw the squads released publically, rather than acknowledging that things go on behind the scenes that you do not see.

 

My personal opinion is once he wasn't in any of the immediate England squads after Toulon he committed himself to Wales. Wales pride themselves on not forcing the hand of any dual nationals and he probably enjoyed the encouragement he got from them and the rest is history.