English players Dual Nationality thread #2

Discussion in 'England' started by roverman, Sep 26, 2020.

  1. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    That is a pretty wild decision when you look at who he’s jumped ahead of.
     
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  2. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    He's played like 100 odd minutes of first team football. It doesn't say much about their other midfield options on standby
     
  3. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Marcelo Flores did his Knee and looks like he's out of the World Cup, pretty sure he trained with England as youngster (and does or could have qualified for us)
     
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  4. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    I think it’s less than that, I don’t particularly know their other midfield options but would guess Fletcher is closer stylistically to Gilmore.
     
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  5. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Sounds like a classic Cap-tying opportunity unless their other options aren’t really that good anyway and probably see Tyler as a long term option with a higher ceiling than everyone else.

    Personally I would have thought McGregor from Celtic would have been preferred but I’m not an avid watcher of the SPL.
     
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  6. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Mcgregor retired from international football a few years ago. Surely Miller playing regularly for udinese would have made more sense
     
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  7. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Haha, shows how much attention I pay to Scottish football :ninja:
     
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  8. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The BBC article about this mentions Jack has having chosen to represent England.

    He played more minutes yesterday for Scotland than he did for Man United’s first team all season.
     
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  9. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    I would assume Fletcher will stay with England while he's a regular in the youth teams. Really no reason for him to be sticking with England at this point if England weren't his first choice.
     
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  10. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Must be a first if they both play senior International football, one for Scotland and the other for England. On the face of it, seems mad.
     
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  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Can’t think of any twins but there are a few siblings who babe played different teams, The Williams, The Boatang’s The Xhaka’s.
     
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  12. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Maybe I'm underrating the Fletcher twins but I'd be pretty surprised if Fletcher ever made it to senior level for England. He's never stood out for the underage teams anyway, though I guess he could kick on.
     
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  13. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah I know of others from other Countries but was more specifically talking about England and Scotland mainly due to the hostile environment ( Sporting terms )
     
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  14. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    It’s definitely a first. I remember Darren saying he wouldn’t pressure them either way so he’s allowed them to forge their own path.
    I find it very strange when parents try and sway their kids to play for a country when it might not be in their best interests. I like that Darren said he would be happy with either choice.
     
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  15. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah, he’s not exactly one we talk about that often as a future senior team player but you never know, especially seeing as quite a few players seem to sneak up under the radar compared others that seem destined but ultimately tail off.
     
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  16. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Also, it’s got to influence Jack hearing about what a great time his twin is having at the World Cup.

    He plays like Darren Fletcher, more of a box to box workhorse than a Gilmore type.

    Funnily enough the only twins I know that did this came through at United and are still playing. Michael Keane played for England and Will Keane plays for Ireland. Will Keane was the more highly rated of two as a youngster and won lots of England caps but never got beyond Championship level and ended up playing for Ireland. Micheal Keane started off playing for Ireland at youth level but then got picked up by England and eventually won 12 senior caps.
     
  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Forgot about them. Michael Keane would probably have gone to Euro 2020 had it not been delayed a year by COVID.
     
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  18. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    All the top prospects, Quansah Anderson Gordon and Livramento, the players those nobheads thought they were going to get have chosen England. So they're welcome to the likes of the Fletcher boys because we're producing talent like that through our ears. Scotland only get our cast-offs
     
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  19. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I doubt that. I bet Clarke probably just doesn’t want to call someone he’s already dropped (from getting into the original 26) just to then sit them on the bench all tournament.

    Fletcher is at a club that will struggle to offer him a pathway though. Meaning there is no guarantee that he has a competent campaign even at Championship level next season.

    So you are taking a big risk unnecessarily as far as I can see.
     
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  20. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Wigan born. Grandparent pick. Capped throughout the youth ages for Wales.

     
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  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    That’s two English born called up for them this week as they called up Ollie Bostock the other day.
     
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  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    David Eze has an Irish passport.
     
  23. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    So has Jude, does this really need to be in the dual thread since there’s no indication he’s going to switch to Ireland. Otherwise you could probably put 75% of transfer news in this thread since we have so many dual qualified players.
     
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  24. Slater582

    Slater582 Member+

    Jul 21, 2008
    Shrewsbury, England
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Eze was born in Ireland (apparently to Nigerian parents) and grew up in England.


    Wouldn't qualification be even more manageable if FIFA expand to 64 teams?


    Does he still work for Crystal Palace?


    According to Dave Reddin it was a higher percentage than that when he was working at SGP.
     
  25. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Hopefully he doesn’t have a Welsh one too because they’ll call him up next week ;)
     
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