English players Dual Nationality thread #2

Discussion in 'England' started by roverman, Sep 26, 2020.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #8126 Fireburn47, Apr 12, 2026
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    They would have been articles in a couple of the papers that would have been uncomfortable for the FA for sure. Majority of the coverage would have been positive through.
     
  2. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Does every rule change FIFA make have to be voted on by the corrupt ambassadors for each Country?
     
  3. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I think so. The last changes were approved at congress. Even if they can’t they can cause issues in other ways if FIFA did something the majority of associations opposed.
     
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  4. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I remember at the time, none of us from this forum were in favour of calling up Musiala as he wasn’t better than our other options and mainly a bench player at Bayern, therefore during that time he didn’t deserve the call up. However, we all knew his ceiling was very high, higher compared to other options during that period in the senior team. I wonder if we have another situation similar in the future, we might feel a little differently with high ceiling players. It’s always a gamble though as you can’t say for certain how a players trajectory will play out so it’s never easy even though I think we’ve been a bit unlucky with player situations/circumstances and losing them.

    As far as the media are concerned, a lot of them are probably miffed we didn’t call up Musiala in hindsight so in the future many might be more sympathetic if we do call up a player relatively early.
     
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  5. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The level of reaction will depend on how the team ks doing at the time and how the manager is perceived. A popular manager and team in good form will get less criticism than if it’s during a period of team struggling and unpopular manager.
     
  6. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

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    Feb 8, 2020
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  7. BarryfromEastenders

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    Jul 6, 2008
    That article pretty much highlights that Scott is solely focused on England. The idea that Delap or Scott will switch at this point seems massively far fetched.

    Quite a lot of these dual national switches eventually end up coming down to circumstances and they are not in Ireland’s favour at all at present.
     
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  8. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    I’m genuinely baffled as to why the Irish think they even have a chance to get him. He could be within a shout of going to the World Cup with England. Why on earth would he declare for an Ireland team who haven’t qualified for this World Cup and probably won’t qualify for the next euros.
     
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  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The next Euros is partly in Dublin so they probably will make it.

    Some of their fans think Tuchel snubbing him last month could be a sign he doesn’t rate him in general and make not give him many opportunities going forward.
     
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  10. Catenaccio88

    Catenaccio88 Member

    England
    Sep 23, 2023
    Its more a reflection of aspirational behaviour on behalf of Ireland (or FAI)
    As much as I don't rate Scott as England's biggest CM prospect and think we have bigger talent ceilings in Wharton, Anderson and Mainoo.

    He would be a complete game changer for them and instantly become the most technically capable player in their pool. They dont have anyone near to how much he could influence their team/setup and they likely wont be producing one through their youth system - so the only alternatives are either recruit one from England (via Granny rule) or simply do without..
     
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  11. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Yeah I guess when you put it like that, it changes things a little. Even still, very optimistic on their part.
     
  12. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    I’d be surprised if they did get him to be fair. I think it would be one of the most high profile ‘steals’ they’ve had off us. But I still think they’re being very optimistic if they expect he will declare.
     
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  13. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Don’t they ( along with all the other home Nations ) have to qualify this time round and not automatically as hosts?
     
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  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Sort of. They are two reserved spots which will come into force after the qualifying happens for any team that hasn’t won qualifying. If less than two have automatically qualified then the lowest ranked won’t get the reserved spots and will go into the playoffs.
     
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  15. ..although he is supposedly injured for the rest of the season, so...?
     
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  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    He is definitely out for the rest of the season but I think he could then be fit for the World Cup. I feel like if he goes we need to keep an eye on Acheampong and Nketiah joining hi, as well
     
  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

    This would seemingly rule it out.
     
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  18. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    On the Scott situation. Even their own fans think its highly unlikely they'll be able to tempt him. Also Scott has numerous times made it clear its his dream to play for England. They've got more chance with dewsbury-hall
     
  19. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    He turned them down not long ago after a long period of speculation that he would switch. Personally I think that points to him really not wanting to play for them.
     
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  20. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Still won’t stop the FAI, they have absolutely no self respect.
    They proved this when they wished rice and grealish happy birthday on their social media platforms…all whilst both players had turned them down to ‘concentrate on club football’ ;)
     
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  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC


    I take it Arteta’s son has basically lived his entire life in England? Just thinking his Dad has been employed in England for a long time now, must be more than 16 years I would say unless his son was raised separately in Spain or something. I’ve no idea how good he is by the way, just found it interesting and if he’s any good maybe a potential call up at some point.
     
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  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    He wasn’t born here (All 3 of Arteta’s son are born in June so off season and back in Spain) but his dad has been living in the UK without a break since 2005 so he must be eligible. He might well have a British passport - his dad was considering one back in 2010:when he was still playing and Capello was interested in calling him up.

    Daniel Arteta is eligible for 3 countires as his mum was born in Argentina.

    Must be a little ageing for Mikel to now be managing someone younger then his son in Max Dowman.
     
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  23. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    #8148 Regis Prograis, Apr 23, 2026
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    How on earth did you find the birth month of all 3 of his children?
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    There’s a website about footballers and their families and it was on there.
    Arteta’s wife is famous in Spain for her pre marriage acting, presenting and modelling career so the Spanish tabloids covered them a lot.
     
  25. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    How do you know the information is in anyway accurate?
     

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