English players Dual Nationality thread #2

Discussion in 'England' started by roverman, Sep 26, 2020.

  1. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Great opportunity for him, he's a mile off what we need but looks like one who could get there if a few things go right in his career choices over next few years
     
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  2. GermanBlade

    GermanBlade Member

    Sheffield United
    Mar 17, 2025
    #7727 GermanBlade, Feb 11, 2026
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    He hasn't really set the world on fire ever since his transfer to Dortmund. Mainly though because Kovac completely refuses to achknowledge his best position in central midfield and instead views him as a sub option in attacking midfield or even as a seond striker. To be fair, in this position he'd never even get a look-in for the seniors

    In central midfield he could become a loss long-term as others indicated but from what I've seen of him at Dortmund so far Mainoo might already have a higher ceiling than him (especially on a technical level Carney has been rather disappointing so far I'd say, many miscontrolled passes) even though he's marginally younger. Not being part of the u21s (unfortunately through injury, I believe) and now playing and living in Germany might have helped Austria as well as having someone liker Sabitzer as a respected figure at Dortmund. Austria's currently on a cap-tying mission for Duals ever since they qualified with Wanner heavily rumores to be going to the WC with them as well over the last week (though the player's agent downplayed those claims).

    So overall good choice for him I think. Of course it always sucks if they become really, really good players further down the line but we can't forget these are humans after all and nothing comes close to representing *a* country at the World Cup imo. Austria also have decebt chances to qualify for further major tournaments on top of that too. In the grand scheme of things although it could become another Lookman situation these are not the decisive dual 'battles', those are for players all the elite footballing nations want to represent them e.g. Olise and Musiala which hurt the senior team much more than Chukwuemeka.
     
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  3. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    A bit disappointed that he jumped ship so soon, he can definitely go on a Lookman style trajectory from here. He’s just jumped at the offer of a World Cup place it seems.


    He’s an Igbo, wonder if that has anything to do with it.
     
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  4. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    It's not clear to me from the wording whether they're saying that he's agreed to switch, or just that Austria are trying to get him to agree. Any clarification elsewhere?

    Would be a shame if he switches, for sure. He may never reach his potential, but if he does then he could be a big loss.
     
  5. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yeah, after looking into it a bit more I've noticed there's some ambiguity on that detail. I can't find a properly reputable source saying he's definitely switching. It appears the most reputable sources (Sky Germany & the Athletic) are essentially saying that Rangnick is pushing to get it over the line.
     
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  6. JAMC_

    JAMC_ Member

    England
    Jul 4, 2022
    Various media outlets reporting that Barnes has rejected Scotland.
     
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  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Wonder if Tuchel has spoken to him. Steve Clarke doesn’t mention it.
     
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  8. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Haha haha ha ha...well done Harvey
     
  9. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Apparently Tuchel has been in touch
     
  10. JAMC_

    JAMC_ Member

    England
    Jul 4, 2022
    I think he has. The source from the tartan army message board said that’s why he’s turned them down after initially committing. He seems reliable tbf.
     
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  11. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Souness
     
  12. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Barnes would always have been on Tuchel’s larger squad radar. I can’t see how he could not be. So I can’t see how anything has changed.

    The only thing is if Tuchel has offered him a squad place for the upcoming games. But I just can’t see how he can guarantee him that with the options available.

    Feels more like a Dewsbury-Hall type case of wanting the England opportunity far more than anything else.
     
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  13. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Feels like a much bigger blow for Scotland because he is almost the perfect option that they are lacking.
     
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  14. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah according to the Times it’s come from Steve Clark

     
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  15. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Good to see a player backing themselves.
     
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  16. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    I’m really not sure what role he has to play for us going forward, but fair play to the guy. It’s refreshing to see an Englishman want to try and get into the squad and not choose his grandparents country as a cheap cap.
     
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  17. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Clicked on the first page of this thread and this was the first post. Forgot all about him but he now plays for Atalanta United and hasn't been capped for Colombia since 2022.
     
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  18. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Just noticed Ronaldo Vieira was capped by Guinea-Bissau last year.

    His last England youth cap was this game -
    IMG_1275.jpeg

    Jay Dasilva, Choudhury and Lukas Nmecha also featured and later switched.
     
  19. andals

    andals Member

    Jun 13, 2015
    hard to believe Boothroyd had a win rate of 64%
     
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  20. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    There were quite a few options that people assumed would switch now their teams have qualified. But other than Harvey Barnes saying no we have not heard anything yet?
     
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  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Who are the options you are thinking about? I can only think of the likes of Hudson-Odoi and Nketiah who Ghana have basically said no to from the reports I’ve read. Are there players for Wales and Ireland that have gone under the radar if they qualify?
     
  22. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Nketiah, CHO, Hackney, Ben Nelson, Ndala. There are quite a few more.

    There was an assumption that numerous nations would be aggressive in their requests after qualifying for the finals.
     
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  23. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Marcelo Flores officially changes from Mexico to Canada ahead of World Cup, he was in Mexico squad for Copa America 2024 but got no minutes to add to his 3 caps he'd previously received as would have cap tied him

    He was at a few English U15/16 youth camps back in the day, when at Ipswich before he moved to Arsenal and presume would have been eligible as was here for 5 years in education
     
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  24. Catenaccio88

    Catenaccio88 Member

    England
    Sep 23, 2023

    I'm actually quite surprised he's turned them down - he would be such an addition to them
     
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  25. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
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