Is providing Jamaica with a ready made football team part of our slavery reparations obligation or something?
You and I share the same prediction - he's going to see where he is as an EPL player, and hope he can get established. Realistically, he probably tops out at a level below that required by England but sufficient to be an EPL regular. As it becomes clear he has settled at that level and England is still far off, that's when he'll be ready for Jamaica. All of that will take at least a couple of seasons to play out, so I'm of the mind that Jamaica should just forget about him until 2026 or 2027 at the earliest. I highly doubt it. Once thing I've learned over the years is that dual-eligible players with clear England youth places aren't turning those spots down for Jamaica youth sides, and they're extremely unlikely to do so even for a place in the Jamaica senior side. O'Reilly turns 19 in 2 days and is in a solid position at City, he's not committing to Jamaica like that yet. He should have plenty of England youth caps ahead of him. Good news. I see he has experience in the center of midfield, where arguably our biggest need is. As I've said before, there's real opportunity here for players looking for senior international football - anyone who can show real competence in these positions Jamaica is so shallow in is going to have a shot at real meaningful minutes, quickly. Seems he had some England youth time but has been out of the setup since a few U16 caps back in 2017. League One isn't elite football but at only 21, if he's already starting consistently at that level, there's upside to get better. If he can become a solid Championship-caliber player down the road, that's a win for us.
No but our colonial history, along with expanded FIFA and UEFA tournaments and FIFA elligibility rules are what's driving what you see. We are now becoming like France where national teams of our former colonies rely on players developed in our system. Usually they're players that don't make the grade for England. France supplied something like 70 players for other nations at the last World Cup which highlights the strength of their football system and why they've been the best international side in recent years. England is probably only behind France in talent production now. Nigeria started the final of AFCON this year with 5 English developed players in their XI, they started their semi-final with 6! I can't see the point in being upset about the new status quo as there's precisely nothing we can do about it, except for try to convince the best dual nationals to play for us, so far we've done pretty well in this regard. I think England were a bit slow on the uptake here but we have a number of duals in the current squads like Setford, McFarlane and Buck that we may not have had a few years ago. I don't think getting upset about a player like Peart-Harris who hasn't been involved with England for 5 years because he's not good enough is worthwhile.
I also think at some point in the next few decades we'll be have many more options like Buck and McFarlane available to us and we'll probably be much more reliant on them than we are now, so we shouldn't be overly critical/hypocritical of nations like Jamaica simply doing what any sensible FA would do in their position. The ones worth criticising in these debates are the USA, a country that has immense resources in terms of infrastructure, playing population and excellent levels of investment from Europe in their youngsters, but are still so reliant on players produced by other countries.
16-year-old Amin Nabizada (Watford) has been called up the Afghanistan senior side. Was named on the first-team bench in the FA Cup earlier this season.
I'm not sure there is enough immigration out of England to significant footballing playing countries for this to become a reliance or compete with what we produce internally. Most younger people/families emigrate to Australia, Canada, New Zealand, USA and probably Ireland
Well there's the thing, the USA's trajectory as a footballing nation is quite obviously an upward one and they're clearly now at a point where they're capable of producing players good enough for England, albeit not consistently, and the likelihood is that will become increasingly the case in the future. I also have my own personal take that Australia will be one of the next big footballing nations to blossom in the coming decades. Football is now the number one participation sport in Australia on a weekly basis, they actually have more people playing football per week there than we do here, but they're held back by the fact the government refuses to accept they're a football nation and is still trying to invest more in its cultural heritage sports of AFL and NRL, despite participation numbers plummeting in those sports. They'll eventually cave amidst the pressure because they'll have to, and once that happens I think you'll see the Aussies start to really ramp up their talent production. They already have some really good youngsters coming through and generally speaking, if the Aussies want to be good at a sport then they'll be good at it. They have tonnes of inwards immigration from football-mad countries too which is clearly massively impacting the culture there.
I don't disagree with some of your points (at least will take your word), but the number English eligible players those countries will be producing will be still be pretty small, compared to what is produced internally, so I don't think we will have a reliance.
Yeah tbf a reliance is going a bit far, but at least maybe I think we'll reach a point where we have four of five of those types of players in a 23+ man squad. I think many of the current European powerhouses will reach that point, not just us.
Notice US fans on here are starting to question Balogun, I seem to remember a bunch of them calling Southgate arrogant for not picking him this time last year. They hyped him beyond belief so its not a massive surprise he's not lived up to their messianic like expectations. Interestingly they have a 53 page thread on a 14 year old player that moving to the City group in the future, truly mind bogglingly, glad that doesn't happen to anywhere to that extent in England.
He's had a bit of a shocker this season, only 5 goals as a 40m striker for one of the best teams in Ligue 1, and also managed to miss 5(!) penalties this season, giving him a 17% penalty success rate for the season which is truly astounding. Seems a bit of an odd character in general, not sure the royal tour of the US he was given last spring was good for the ego.
How does he still get the penalty duties at Monaco? They must have some terrible penalty options if he’s still being given the job.
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Has Emre Tezgel been called up by Turkey's age group teams?— Football Fragmento (@footyfragmento) March 25, 2024
Imagine if he doesn't get picked for the World Cup. He cost himself Euros U21s winners medal because The USA paid for some basketball tickets and the fans spamming his insta.
Our U19 National Team Squad 🇹🇷 for the UEFA European U19 Championship Elite Round matches!Emir BarsKaan İnanoğluHalil ÖzdemirBerkant GedikliBatuhan YavuzBerkay YılmazAyman GulasıDiren Dağdeviren8/25 players are from overseas. 🇹🇷#MilliTakım #Türkiye pic.twitter.com/83vJcKCMqX— Turk Scout (@ScouTurk) March 8, 2024 This was their initial squad announcement and Tezgel isn't there. They've managed to qualify for the U19 Euros this summer though so they'll have a chance to provisionally cap tie him there if he's willing.