English players Dual Nationality thread #2

Discussion in 'England' started by roverman, Sep 26, 2020.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Perfectly possible Hutchinson thinks he could switch back but has actually already tied himself to Jamaica.
     
  2. horrisengleton

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I don’t think that’s likely man. These players have a lot of people advising them.
     
  3. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    It seems he’s keeping his options open, if he’s playing regular in The Championship you’d very much expect him to be in contention for the next u20s squad.
     
  4. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    You're allowed a maximum of 3 caps of any kind (official, unofficial, competitive, or friendly, doesn't matter) before you're locked in. Hutchinson is at this limit - he has played in two friendlies (both in March earlier this year) and also made his debut in an unofficial friendly against Catalonia in 2022. The Catalonia game is a little more dubious since it was unofficial, but it is likely based on a read of the FIFA statutes that it counts, and Hutchinson's advisors have certainly made him aware of this risk and coached him accordingly.

    I'm of the view that he is focused on England and does not want to represent Jamaica right now. So at the moment, he isn't cap tied, but if he sets foot on the field for Jamaica for another second more, he likely will be, and that's what he'll work to avoid to preserve opportunity with England going forward.
     
  5. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    The rules confuse me these days. Can I ask, would he be allowed to switch associations straight away or would he have to wait for a certain time?
     
  6. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    Have to wait until three years have passed since the player's last senior appearance for their previous national team to switch to the new one. That's March 2026 for Hutchinson (just in time for the World Cup, should he be able to make his way up England's pecking order by then).
     
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  7. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    I couldn't honestly see anyone waiting that long. If he's already been capped by Jamaica, surely he's made his decision.

    Mind you, stranger things have happened.
     
  8. Jamespt21

    Jamespt21 Member

    Manchester City
    England
    Aug 20, 2023
    I'm pretty sure the regulations specify competitive matches, not including friendlies.
     
  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  10. Crvena Zvezda

    Crvena Zvezda Member

    Manchester United
    England
    Apr 11, 2017
    Its actually very fuzzy what the rules are regarding this as FIFA keep revising them and issuing new clarifications every time an individual or association in a different situation raises a point about it.
    What I don't get though is if one of the friendlies Hutchinson played in had some kind of official FIFA standing, how could he have been involved in that after playing an official youth competition match for England and then still be eligible to switch back again. or apparently believe he is given you can only make one switch? I've never seen any news though of him actually submitting or FIFA approving a switch to Jamaica, merely of him applying for a passport. So what's going on?
    Its all a bit peculiar.
     
  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if he is wrongly aware of the rules.
     
  12. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Is this just all hypothetical or has he given a signal that he would entertain a future England call up?
     
  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Just the fact he has only appeared in friendlies for Jamaica so far. @Athlone is an expert on all things Jamaican national team and is convinced he is keeping his options open.
     
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  14. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    The regulations aren't super clear, but as I've read it, the implication is that friendlies can count. This is what the text says about the conditions for a player to switch:

    https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/ccab990abf45fcf6/original/ro8mje8vw98yp3rvfbmi-pdf.pdf

    (Page 31)

    The wording implies it doesn't need to be an official match in a competitive situation, and also opens the door to the possibility that even an unofficial friendly (ex: a match against Catalonia) might count.

    I don't want to overstate my level of knowledge here, I do not know the kid personally so I can obviously be wrong. There's always the chance something else is going on in the background here that just isn't public knowledge.

    That being said, I've seen Jamaica pursue lots of duals in the past, and I've seen many hesitate to jump in and represent the country. I know what that looks like. I also can see the other factors on the wall here that all conspire to give him incentive to wait and see on Jamaica: his age, the potential U21 eligibility, getting his first shot at EFL football now and a potential fast track to England relevance again if he can show form, etc.

    If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...there's indeed a chance its not an actual duck, but it probably is.

    His actions are in line with those of a player who just isn't committed, so until I clearly see otherwise that's where I have to conclude he stands.
     
  15. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    I think the next international window should tell us something. Surely he has to be ahead of some of the wing options in the last u20 camp.
     
  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    And he is already at a level that would mean he would justifiably be worthy of a further senior call up for Jamaica. So if he is absent from both England and Jamaica that is telling.
     
  17. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Why would that be telling? Surely it would just continue the confusion.
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I mean it would be telling in that he won’t commit to Jamaica yet.
     
  19. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    He's already turned down a call-up for Jamaica that would've tied him for 3 years if he played.
     
  20. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    https://www.lep.co.uk/sport/footbal...on-argentina-felipe-rodriguez-gentile-4337221

    Preston North End manager Ryan Lowe says England tried to call-up young forward Felipe Rodriguez-Gentile, who has gone away with Argentina under-17s for the first time.

    The 16-year-old was born in Brazil, to Argentine parents and is eligible to represent both of those countries as well as Spain. News of his call-up to Diego Placente’s squad was confirmed on Monday, with Argentina taking on Boca in a friendly this week as they gear up for the FIFA U17 World Cup - taking place in Indonesia at the end of this year.
     
  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Mentions he doesn’t have British passport and I thought he hadn’t been in England long enough under the education clause anyway.
     
  22. horrisengleton

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
  23. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Interesting if true as he's eligible for Ghana as well which would've been a better option than NI. If you're being cold and rational about it then his agent has performed poorly here given he's locked in to England for good aged 18. Good for us mind.

    It looks like he's started the season very well. 4 goals in 2 games in PL2. A goal in the EFL trophy which is a senior app and he played 90 and got an assist in Aston Villa's Conference League victory against Hibs.
     
  24. horrisengleton

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Yeah, unless he was adamant he only wants to play for England it's poor work by those advising him.
     
  25. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

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