England Under 21 Discussions Thread (2002+ born) #8

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jan 29, 2023.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
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  3. BarryfromEastenders

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    Jul 6, 2008
    Philogene with another league goal tonight.
     
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    West Ham United
    England
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  7. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    All signs point to him playing for Scotland at the Euros!
     
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  8. BarryfromEastenders

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  9. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    He's been a fantastic addition, I think the way the like of Rogers and Wharton (and less recently Eze, Olise) have flourished almost seamlessly in the PL will probably mean a few more clubs look to the Championship for young English performers, the upside is enormous.
     
  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Morgan Rogers scores again.
     
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  11. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Proving to be a really good buy from Villa and great to see players from the Championship given the opportunity because Rogers certainly isn’t letting himself down whatsoever.
     
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  12. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Delap scores.
     
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  13. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    There's obviously a good player in Madueke but he needs to improve his attitude off the ball. He's so lazy with tracking back and his body language after loses the ball is really poor at times. Could do with learning to use his right foot a bit more too.
     
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  15. Fireburn47

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    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     
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  16. AJ123

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    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    His stats look very good for the season, he's played in multiple positions but seems to be at left back mostly. Interested to see his next loan. There's a possibility Chelsea could use him with Cucurella's questionable ability and Chilwell's chronic injury issues.

    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/427102/Show/Harvey-Vale
     
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  17. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Vale and Arblaster are good examples of the importance of pitching loans correctly - on paper going to a bottom of League One side is not an impressive move but it meant Arblaster got crucial minutes on his first loan giving him the platform to come back and play premier leauge football and set him up for possible moves this summer.

    Vale had last year wasted by going on loan on deadline day to a Hull side where he was only going to be a squad player and ended up having to drop down to League One this year, effectively setting him back a year.

    Obviously its difficult to know exactly how loans will go but you can certainly send players to a level they're likely to be key players at teams, which seems far more beneficial than too many players who get loaned out as squad players who are up against it from the beginning to get minutes. There's been a decent amount of success from players going to League One in the last couple of seasons (Arblaster, Bradley, Trafford, Quansah come to mind) so maybe clubs will be a bit more thoughtful in sending players to that level instead of over ambitious loans to the championship (see Scarlett this season).
     
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  18. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    There's an interesting dynamic where young goalkeepers get sent to much lower levels on loan because keepers can only play one position and rarely get injured, meaning you have to do that to guarantee any playing time. Plenty of Premier League keepers, including Pickford, started on loan in non-league. Dropping down 2+ divisions for young outfield players should perhaps be considered more.
     
  19. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    I'd say that in all but exceptional circumstances most players would be better off going to at higher League One first to ensure the best chance for game time, which is ultimately what loans should be about. If they're really that good they'll stand out at that level and can be moved on loan to the championship mid-season, or even bought back to the club as with Arblaster this season. Just looking at loans so often the first loan is a struggle of just getting used to playing senior football. Someone like Quansah got a lot more from being average in League One than he would have sitting on the bench in the championship.
     
  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    All three of our World Cup keepers last time had played in League two and that will likely be the same at the Euros as Dean Henderson and Jack Butland have played there as well.
     
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  21. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Pickford, Henderson and Butland all benefited from the old short term emergency loans.
    Were able to go for an initial month with the option to extend rather than having to commit to half a season as they do now. The level they're going to doesn't really matter if they know it's for a handful of games of exposure.
     
  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    English defender Jarell Quansah, 21, is in line for a new long-term contract after impressing during his breakthrough season at Liverpool. (Mirror)
     
  23. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Morgan Rogers has gone off injured this afternoon.
     
  24. manimal

    manimal Member

    Dec 23, 2018
    Is it bad?
     
  25. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008

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