England Under 21 Discussions Thread (2002+ born) #8

🚨 Barcelona are interested in signing Chelsea midfielder Carney Chukwuemeka.

(Source: @talkSPORT) pic.twitter.com/RQx1ZuyF1h

— Transfer News Live (@DeadlineDayLive) April 23, 2024

 

And he won a penalty.

 

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Livramento continues to be hampered due to an ongoing ankle issue. 'Tino is still struggling with his ankle That’s why he didn’t come onto the pitch. He was there for an emergency, really. Can he play at the weekend? I’m not sure. We certainly don’t want to give him a…

— Ben Dinnery (@BenDinnery) April 25, 2024

 

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No fresh injury concerns for Newcastle, who are looking to bounce back from defeat at Selhurst Park.

'Tino (Livramento) came on against Tottenham and had a slight reaction in his ankle after that game. It was minimal. It is the same story with a few of the…

— Ben Dinnery (@BenDinnery) April 26, 2024

 

All signs point to him playing for Scotland at the Euros!

 

He's been a fantastic addition, I think the way the like of Rogers and Wharton (and less recently Eze, Olise) have flourished almost seamlessly in the PL will probably mean a few more clubs look to the Championship for young English performers, the upside is enormous.

 

Morgan Rogers scores again.

 

Proving to be a really good buy from Villa and great to see players from the Championship given the opportunity because Rogers certainly isn’t letting himself down whatsoever.

 

Delap scores.

 

There's obviously a good player in Madueke but he needs to improve his attitude off the ball. He's so lazy with tracking back and his body language after loses the ball is really poor at times. Could do with learning to use his right foot a bit more too.

 

Harvey Vale’s loan at Bristol Rovers from #CFC has come to an end. It has been a very successful one for his development, playing on a regular basis.
Another talent to be assessed in pre-season: https://t.co/qANMwMIIKN

— Simon Johnson (@SJohnsonSport) April 28, 2024

 

His stats look very good for the season, he's played in multiple positions but seems to be at left back mostly. Interested to see his next loan. There's a possibility Chelsea could use him with Cucurella's questionable ability and Chilwell's chronic injury issues.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/427102/Show/Harvey-Vale

 

Vale and Arblaster are good examples of the importance of pitching loans correctly - on paper going to a bottom of League One side is not an impressive move but it meant Arblaster got crucial minutes on his first loan giving him the platform to come back and play premier leauge football and set him up for possible moves this summer.

Vale had last year wasted by going on loan on deadline day to a Hull side where he was only going to be a squad player and ended up having to drop down to League One this year, effectively setting him back a year.

Obviously its difficult to know exactly how loans will go but you can certainly send players to a level they're likely to be key players at teams, which seems far more beneficial than too many players who get loaned out as squad players who are up against it from the beginning to get minutes. There's been a decent amount of success from players going to League One in the last couple of seasons (Arblaster, Bradley, Trafford, Quansah come to mind) so maybe clubs will be a bit more thoughtful in sending players to that level instead of over ambitious loans to the championship (see Scarlett this season).

 

There's an interesting dynamic where young goalkeepers get sent to much lower levels on loan because keepers can only play one position and rarely get injured, meaning you have to do that to guarantee any playing time. Plenty of Premier League keepers, including Pickford, started on loan in non-league. Dropping down 2+ divisions for young outfield players should perhaps be considered more.

 

I'd say that in all but exceptional circumstances most players would be better off going to at higher League One first to ensure the best chance for game time, which is ultimately what loans should be about. If they're really that good they'll stand out at that level and can be moved on loan to the championship mid-season, or even bought back to the club as with Arblaster this season. Just looking at loans so often the first loan is a struggle of just getting used to playing senior football. Someone like Quansah got a lot more from being average in League One than he would have sitting on the bench in the championship.

 

All three of our World Cup keepers last time had played in League two and that will likely be the same at the Euros as Dean Henderson and Jack Butland have played there as well.

 

Pickford, Henderson and Butland all benefited from the old short term emergency loans.
Were able to go for an initial month with the option to extend rather than having to commit to half a season as they do now. The level they're going to doesn't really matter if they know it's for a handful of games of exposure.

 

English defender Jarell Quansah, 21, is in line for a new long-term contract after impressing during his breakthrough season at Liverpool. (Mirror)

 

Morgan Rogers has gone off injured this afternoon.

 

Is it bad?