England Under 21 Discussions Thread (2002+ born) #8

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jan 29, 2023.

  1. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    This is Carsley’s last U21 team and the style was still very evident -

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    Carsley was just very good at putting players in the right positions and getting them to move well within the system.
     
  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Rogers has a better chance than Hall in the short term as he is playing well at club level while Hall is still mostly on the bench for Newcastle.
     
  3. StortfordSpurs1882

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jun 28, 2023
  4. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Hall looks the Business
     
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  5. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Sure but when all is said and done, they’ve actually done pretty well tonight? Could’ve scored 7 here against a much better side than Luxembourg. Age old issues in midfield with Scott and Morton taking poor touches in dangerous positions seems to have been the main concern. I’m not deep into studying systems mind.
     
  6. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    Beadle looked pretty good, just needs to learn how to set a wall up.
     
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  7. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    After tonight’s match the decisions to start Anderson and Doyle against N.I appear a little more strange to me.
     
  8. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    There needs to be a coherent approach/plan to what we desire from a coaching team in this age group.

    We did the ex-player thing. Trying to give opportunity to the upcoming coach. Platt and Pearce. It wasn’t a complete disaster. I think Pearce was a decent role model with regards what it means to play for England etc. There was no regard for player ID or playing approach. So what was the actual point? It was pretty much pick a team and get on with it. Pearce lasted way too long and got found out three campaigns earlier than he left.

    Southgate was a bit different because he didn’t even want the job and at least he had an idea of how he wanted to play. Whether it worked in practice is another thing. Was he that great at identifying players in specific roles? Probably not.

    Boothroyd got the job because he was deemed an experienced club manager. That is what was desired for the role. Team to play like a club team. It was a complete disaster. One of the most idiotic reigns I can recall in sports management.

    They just lucked out with Carsley. I don’t think they expected what they got at all. We will struggle to find a coaching team to replicate. It was probably the most enjoyable reign I’ve witnessed of an England team at any level.

    With Futcher he has barely coached in the system. I don’t really know what they could even go off to give him the role. It is quite a hard role to fill but you need criteria and some evidence of competence.
     
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  9. toonarmy44

    toonarmy44 Member

    Aug 28, 2002
    Tyne and Wear
    Hall has started 2 games and Lloyd Kelly has started 2 so far

    Looks like Howe is starting Hall in games where we want to play more attacking but trusts Kelly more defensively
     
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  10. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Just looking at Futcher’s record, he doesn’t actually seemed to have managed many games as a head coach at any level. I think ideally you want someone with a recent track record in academy football, working with young players. Someone like a Justine Cochrane, Hayden Mullens, Joe Edwards, Wayne Burnett, Michael Beale (I know his name is tarnished now but still think he’s a good coach).
     
  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     
  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
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  13. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018


    Highlights of the game.
     
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  14. Port Vale Fan

    Port Vale Fan Member

    May 30, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    It happened three or times last night.

    Over eager to get on the ball?
     
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

     
  16. KHSAFC

    KHSAFC Member

    Sunderland
    England
    Feb 12, 2023
    #3041 KHSAFC, Sep 10, 2024
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    It looks a stronger team with Wharton, Elliott and Philogene in but they both pulled out. For what it’s worth, I think the most likely looking England senior players from this camp seem to be Quansah, THB, Hall and Rogers.
     
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  17. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
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  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
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  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Galatasaray are interested in signing Chelsea's 20-year-old England youth winger Carney Chukwuemeka on loan. (Teamtalk), external
     
  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     
  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Chelsea want to sell Carney Chukwuemeka and are not interested in loaning him out, according to reports. (The Sun)
     
  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Adam Wharton was managing his load during the break - forcing his withdrawal from the England U21 squad - but he is available. 'He needed last week to train individually. [Since] Tuesday, he had every single training session.

    Angus Kinnear (Leeds United CEO) reveals that Bayern and Real Madrid were interested in Archie Gray in January, before he ultimately joined Tottenham in the summer: "Real Madrid were interested in Archie Gray, Bayern Munich were interested. The way we were able to keep him [in January] was threefold [..] Archie Gray is a player who will ultimately play for Real Madrid or Bayern Munich" [The Square Ball podcast]

    Enzo Maresca: “I really, really like Carney Chukwuemeka... but we have so many attacking midfielders”.
    “Unfortunately, we didn't find solutions in the summer. Now we can use him”.
     
  23. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    That last sentence seems a bit odd! They going to use him to carry the bibs in training.
     
  24. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    "Our bluff didn't work, so I guess he'll play"
     
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  25. KHSAFC

    KHSAFC Member

    Sunderland
    England
    Feb 12, 2023
    I’d be interested to know what Southampton’s plans for Nathan Wood and Ronnie Edwards are. Both bought fairly cheaply in the summer but don’t even make the bench. I thought at least one of them would be loaned out this season.
     

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