England Under 21 Discussions Thread (2002+ born) #8

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jan 29, 2023.

  1. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    I don't expect him to have a rise like Mainoo but he's another possible midfield option in this u21 cycle, especially if Wharton is with the seniors from now on.
     
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  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I wonder if a loan would suit him. The odds are he won’t get the same circumstances Mainoo did
     
  3. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    Collyer reminds me of Cleverley.
     
  4. DannyM28

    DannyM28 Member

    Manchester United
    England
    Oct 4, 2017
    He’s got a great engine but outside of that he’s not similar to Cleverley. He’s lost a year and a half of football due to injury and Brighton refusing to play him when he wouldn’t sign a new contract with them, so he’s effectively playing catch up.

    Rodri should be his role model, as that’s the style of player he is. If you were designing a DM from scratch he’d be it in terms of attributes, but he’s got a lot to improve on to make it at a top 6 team. Hopefully he can push on from injury and Brightons poor behaviour.
     
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  5. BarryfromEastenders

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  6. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Rico Lewis is someone whose ceiling is quite hard to determine imo. I almost disregard him a bit because I feel like he's not particularly standout in any role despite being able to perform multiple roles to a good level. He's very intelligent (particularly off the ball) but I feel like his physical profile is going to hold him back a bit. I don't know if he's as good technically as the elite players who have similar builds/levels of athleticism to him.
     
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  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Is him being at 8 or a RB/LB for the seniors long term? I’m not sure
     
  8. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Feb 8, 2020
    If there was a RB that needed to play in midfield in the Euros, it was Lewis rather than Trent!
     
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  9. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Smart move by Rico there, bulling up the potential next England manager. Considering the inverted role he generally plays as a full back, and the number of times he's played further forward for City, his future was always going to be in midfield. It's just a case of finding a manager (like Carsley) who's not afraid to put his faith in smaller, ball playing technicians like Lewis, Harvey Elliott or Angel Gomes.
     
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  10. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    The amount of young midfield options we have at the minute is like nothing I've ever seen. The new manager needs to treat the midfield like a clean slate. If that means big names get dropped then so be it.
     
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  11. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Absolutely. Give me a manager with the balls to drop a Declan Rice or a Jude Bellingham if it helps to improve our shape, balance and fluidity. The best players DON'T always make the best team.
     
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  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Unfortunately I suspect such manager is not coming - the likes of Potter and Carsley will be major targets of the press and many fans because of various things (Some of the press seem to think Potter is quite weak and could crack) which means any controversial decisions will be hard for them get respect for. A lot of the press is run now for clicks and those want Klopp or Pep as manager. The biased club supporters social media accounts also seem to fuel the media quite a bit now a days - Mark Goldbridge working for Talksport a big example. .
     
  13. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    So you're trying to tell us that the FA will make their selection based on whoever gets the most 'clicks' on newspaper websites? Let's remember, you were convinced that Gareth Southgate chose his England squad using the same method, before he admitted ahead of the Euros that he gave social media the widest berth possible.
     
  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I meant more how much leeway a manager will be given with the press and fans to make the changes. Interest and optimism was low in 2016/2017 so Southgate was able to do his first rebuild relatively painless and his biggest calls on Rooney and Hart were pretty popular. But this time arround it won’t be as interest is higher and therefore more attention to the more controversial picks which a manager whose appointment wasn’t particularly popular could find more difficult.

    Basically a manger like Klopp or Pep dropping Rice or Bellingham would be seen in a different light then if Carsley or Potter did it.
     
  15. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Just because it might go down badly it doesn't mean someone like Carsley won't do it. Just because he's not a big name it doesn't mean he's going to be weak and will base his entire selection process on who's the most popular and will appease the highest number of people. Southgate made tonnes and tonnes of unpopular decisions and mostly stuck by them.

    You pretty much can't do right when making selections as England manager anyway, whoever gets the job will be criticised whatever they decide to do.
     
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  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    He won’t but bold decisions will have to pay off pretty quickly in a way non tournament decisions haven’t been that important for a while. Expectations are super high now that all that needs to happen is a good manager and tournament wins will come instantly.
     
  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

     
  19. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Looks like City are going to keep James McAtee this season. Hope I'm wrong but feel like he'll just end up like Reiss Nelson and Smith-Rowe did at Arsenal this season. Think he really needs to be playing every week at this stage.
     
  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    By the way Pep Guardiola was talking it sounds like someone wants him to leave through - but if that’s City’s owners or McAtee himself I’m not sure. Lots of I would love to have him rather than we have decided to keep him this season.
     
  21. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Yeah, he also said nice things about Palmer before he left. So anything can happen this stage.
     
  22. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I don't know if I'd read that deeply into it, I think Pep is probably just acknowledging it's not a given he stays. If someone offers £20-30m for him it's quite obvious City would, and they should, accept that.
     
  23. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I think the transfer strategy of City is to basically always say that they want to keep a player, to keep the perceived value high.
     
  24. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    With Olympic football starting tonight it really reminds me of how unfortunate it is that we don't compete in this. Think we'd have had a really good chance of winning gold with Carsley in charge.

    It also got me thinking about our squad if we were competing as an independent country. Trying to avoid picking players who played a lot of minutes at a high level last season, I think this is what I'd go for:

    Carl Rushworth
    James Trafford

    Rico Lewis
    Quansah
    Chalobah*
    Wood
    Archie Brown
    Harrison Burrows

    Hinshelwood
    Curtis Jones
    Harvey Elliott
    Chukwuemeka
    McAtee

    Madueke
    Solanke*
    Archer
    Hudson-Odoi*
    Bynoe-Gittens

    18 players, minimum two keepers and 15 of the 18 have to be born on or after 01/01/2001 if anyone else fancies a crack for fun.
     
  25. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Feb 8, 2020
    I guess it is unfortunate, but the number of pull outs and club withdrawals/refusals would be enormous, I don't think you'd ever get the squad you wanted.
     
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