England Under 15 Discussion Thread #1 (2010 born)

Discussion in 'England' started by zanyk, Mar 17, 2015.

  1. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    I thought this too and had a look but I don't think so.
     
  2. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    I just tried to find that out too - no luck. He'd have been playing in England at the right time, and it does look like he has a son but I don't know a name.
     
  3. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    His son seems to have been born in 2015/2016.
     
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  4. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    For what it's worth, there's a post here from what appears to be Harrison Dunn's dad that lists the names in "Camp 2":

    https://www.instagram.com/p/DCxQ-u7ICHa/?hl=fr

    EDIT: Actually I just followed that through to the original post and they say the list is "not confirmed", so take it with a pinch of salt.
     
  5. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
  6. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Camp 3 is Dec 13-16, Chelsea's Trey Faromo is in.
     
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  7. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    A name missing from the widely-circulated Camp 2 list was Arsenal's Zach van der Graaf.
     
  8. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    Unless he's moved to Arsenal very recently, it looks like he's at Watford.
     
  9. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Ah my bad, Arsenal have a kid called Zach van der Straaten and I've clearly mixed them up.
     
  10. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    Mishel Nduka (Charlton)
     
  11. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Either way, the most Dutch sounding player for England ever?
     
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  12. CasualObserver

    CasualObserver New Member

    Rushden and Diamonds
    Andorra
    Oct 24, 2024
    I don't know about Watford Zach van der. But notwithstanding the Dutch sounding surname, Arsenal Zach van der (u14 so late 2010 born left footed CB) is not AFAIK qualified to play for Netherlands. But is apparently qualified to play for Nigeria. And Nigeria are now saying that they will consider dual heritage players at age groups as young as u15 (2010). i don't know how that would work logistically. But interesting given the large number of English academy players with a Nigerian family background..
     
  13. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    The logistics would seem difficult. It does seem more recently that Nigerian heritage players want to play for England as first choice though. Aina and Iwobi switched to them, along with a number of others before it was known if they’d ever be good enough for England.
     
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  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Does he have South African heritage. His sister is a junior England rugby player in the U18 squad.
     
  15. CasualObserver

    CasualObserver New Member

    Rushden and Diamonds
    Andorra
    Oct 24, 2024
    Interesting. Just England and Nigeria to my knowledge. The surname appears to be a bit of a red herring.
     
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  16. DaveyD

    DaveyD New Member

    Chorley
    England
    Aug 9, 2019
    #2641 DaveyD, Dec 5, 2024
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2024
  17. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    You also shared a post that claimed Ibragimov was born in 2004. So which one is it?
     
  18. DaveyD

    DaveyD New Member

    Chorley
    England
    Aug 9, 2019
    Who knows but something doesn't add up. The numberr of players in England's young teams born outside the country is bordering on ridiculous .
     
  19. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    What are the numbers?
     
  20. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Why does it matter if they're born outside of England if they move here at a very young age and were (at least in large part) developed here?
     
  21. CasualObserver

    CasualObserver New Member

    Rushden and Diamonds
    Andorra
    Oct 24, 2024
    because age fraud involving kids born outside the EU is becoming increasingly common in English academy football. obviously most of the kids in question will get found out as they get older and the age/size/physicality advantage disappears. but law of averages suggests a few will succeed. and the enormous potential rewards in a multi billion dollar industry make the gamble worthwhile especially if you are from a relatively poor country.
     
  22. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    I think you'd have to be very naive to think it doesn't go on. The scale is the question. The other issue would be that it pushes legit talent out of the system.
     
  23. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    It feels like this subject doesn’t get any or hardly any coverage from the main stream media. I mean if this is rife within academies you would have thought some serious investigations would have proceeded and testing all kids and remove those who are cheating the system.
     
  24. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I don't doubt it goes on, but how common is it and what substantial evidence is there? I don't think those Ibragimov photos are convincing enough, for example.
     
  25. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Send it to the newspaper. The Times or Telegraph would both be the types to investigate this.
     

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