England U-19 Discussion Thread #3 (2007 born) [R]

Discussion in 'England' started by revelationx, Feb 22, 2011.

  1. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    First game of the group -
    Latvia 2-2 Scotland FT
     
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  2. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
  3. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Assuming that is Sidibe as a full back. Nyoni and Rigg as the CM pair. 4-2-3-1
     
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  4. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Musaka and Golambeckis both of Lithuanian heritage, so interesting game from there perspective.
     
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  5. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Moore, Mhueka, Dowman and Ngumoha, not a bad forward line.
     
  6. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    With Monga on the bench. Mad group.
     
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  7. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Jesse Derry has got a chance too!
     
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  8. StortfordSpurs1882

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jun 28, 2023
  9. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Had about 5 attempts in the first 5 minutes, should be a goal up really.
     
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  10. GermanBlade

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    Sheffield United
    Mar 17, 2025
    Name a better love story than Dowman and drawing pens haha
     
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  11. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    1-0 Mheuka pen. Dowman won the pen some will say he left his leg in I'm sure but the defender bundled him over as well and didn't complain. I thought the earlier one on Dowman was a pen too but the ref called it outside the box.
     
  12. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Looks like RB out of posssession but CM in possession. He hasn't spent much time at RB so far...
     
  13. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    It seems a bit pointless a lot of the time. We can end up with nothing on that side if we get countered and Dowman rarely has an overlapper to create space. Also limits Amass on the other side.
     
  14. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    That would be my critique of the system. We should be making the pitch bigger but have so many players central almost sitting on top of each other.

    Ngumoha as usual can be a bit frustrating because he kills momentum by holding onto the ball.
     
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  15. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Just as I slag off Ngumoha :ninja:
     
  16. StortfordSpurs1882

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jun 28, 2023
    Thought Moore was a bit quiet today in the middle but has looked a lot more lively since moving out to the left, pretty much the opposite of how its been at Rangers.
     
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  17. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    2-0 FT.
    I’m not very keen on the system tbh. End up having to do a lot of tactical fouls.

    A win in competitive games is always a positive. Some good play overall and a much deserved win.
     
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  18. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Saw quite a bit of that second half but missed the goals. Thought Lithuania defended very well against us to be fair or we weren’t quite on it. Really didn’t watch enough to have a definitive view.
     
  19. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Pretty poor performance I thought, kind of par for the course of England youth team performances of the current era of trying to cram in too many attackers at the expense of a coherent system.

    As is often the case when we do this we don't really get any attacking benefit (often we look worse because we lack different profiles) and end up looking very shaky off the ball. Despite being a very limited side Lithuania still get a fair amount of joy on breaks where better sides probably would have punished us. They actually had 14 attempts to our 10 which is very poor really.

    It seems at the moment there's a real overvaluing of dribbling ability and ball carrying at the expense over absolutely everything else pervading through all the youth teams and set ups, outside of Carsley's under 21s anyway which does value central midfielders who pass the ball. Today for example what was really to be gained putting a dribbler like Moore in the middle against a low block side? It's just pointless.

    I'd be interested to hear the logic we have in player development at the moment, its actually interesting how our youth teams are, outwith the 21's all so hyper-individualistic in approach to the detriment of all shape and structure, when premier league sides have almost the exact opposite problem having mostly all become extremely regimented and rigid in approach with almost no freedom allowed for individuals. Maybe there's method to it I don't know.
     
  20. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I think the coaches are just replicating Tuchel’s system with the 4-2-3-1. Our youth teams rarely look good playing with 10’s. Always looks a bit disjointed and feeble defensively.

    The other issue is we have raided U17 and U18 levels for options when Derry and Moore could be starting these games. I still don’t think that was right.
     
  21. andals

    andals Member

    Jun 13, 2015
    he has played a variety of roles at youth level (for Spurs). out wide, even up front. seems like he's more of a wide player when playing at a senior level, but we (England youth) orient him more towards that attacking midfield role. good exposure and experience, but i think of two things: (1) is that his best, most impactful role? (2) are there 'better' options in this stacked U19 setup that could/should play there?
     
  22. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    #10398 AJ123, Nov 13, 2025
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2025
    I saw about 70% of the game and didn't think it was that bad. They could've been 2-0 up in the first 5 minutes and must've had 25+ shots in the game. As Barry mentioned Lithuania defended manfully and carried out their gameplan pretty well. On another day it could've been 6-0.

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    @MrSnrub

    Where are you getting your stats from? Certainly seeed like we had more than 9 attempts.

    I also think it will probably be best for this group if Moore goes to the u21s soon, if he continues to improve for Rangers he should be playing at a higher level than u19s. Ngumoha, Monga and Moore is overkill for the left side. Shea Lacey could drop back in.
     
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  23. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Mheuka has 9 goals in 392 minutes this season for the U19s - basically averaging 2 goals per 90 minutes.
     
  24. Slater582

    Slater582 Member

    Jul 21, 2008
    Shrewsbury, England
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    #10400 Slater582, Nov 13, 2025
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2025
    They played against each other back in February 2023 at U16 international level of course.

    Current members of this U19 side: Amass, Mfuni, Noble, Shahar, Rigg, Mukasa, Mikey Moore, Mheuka were also present. Jay Robinson who was initially selected for this U19 squad also played. So about half this U19 squad featured in that U16 fixture.

    A couple of others from that U16 game, Lacey and Josh King, have been moved to older squads whilst Chido Obi went back to Denmark.

    Scotland have a similar retention rate between those U16/U19 games although one of their players, James Wilson, has been promoted to their current U21 squad and is the only player from that U16 fixture to have played at Senior level.


    Perhaps that is why Harrison Armstrong and Monga were on subs bench.


    UEFA website has 10 attempts for England, 14 for Lithuania. 6 on target for England, 4 for the hosts.



    Mheuka has now scored a dozen goals for England U19 overall, drawing level with...Dane Scarlett! Not sure who has record at that level.
     
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