England U-19 Discussion Thread #3 (2007 born) [R]

Discussion in 'England' started by revelationx, Feb 22, 2011.

  1. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I’m beginning to think quite a few of the problems would be solved if we said to coaches that they had to play 4-3-3 and pick genuine full backs. Specific roles but you can still allow freedom to interchange in certain areas.

    All these systems and tweaks and attempts to play inverted this and that etc. It all becomes a mess and you struggle to even figure out the attempted formation at times.

    The amount of times we’ve been completely outnumbered on counters, overrun in midfield or players have lost their man at least partly because they are being asked to play too high. Or play two roles in and out of possession. I don’t think we even have time to incorporate most of these ideas.

    I don’t even like playing number 10’s behind a centre forward because we seem to always struggle in a two man midfield. Everything gets isolated etc.

    I just don’t see other teams trying so many random experiments with their teams.
     
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  2. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    And it’s probably mostly a miss but when we do get a good one they almost certainly don’t hang around for very long as they get poached for a bigger role which off course you can’t blame them when they will probably double their wage.
     
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  3. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    True. A lot leave but do not even last long in club football roles. It is probably part of the problem that development role positions are not deemed that different to senior club coaching roles.
     
  4. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Acheampong
    George
    Miley
    Dibling
    Rigg
    Moore (mostly missing)

    All missing from the elite round, basically all the players with decent senior experience. If we had them in this squad things would’ve been quite different.
     
  5. Port Vale Fan

    Port Vale Fan Member

    May 30, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I figure we would have been playing Spain today, that would have been really spicy after Saturday.

    What a shame we got so many things wrong with under 19s this year.
     
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  6. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Possibly but when you look at what Carsley has done at U21 level you really have to question the approach at U19 and U17 level.

    After having a full season with the players available you have to be offering up something more coherent at a tournament. This isn’t even about winning games or reaching a Carsley like standard. Mere competence hasn’t even been attained by both teams (U17 and U19) over three competitive games each.

    These reviews on team performance should be glaringly obvious and focused on the coaches.
     
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  7. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Crazy game in the semi final 5-5 in extra time! Did anyone see the Spain own goal in the last minute, that made it 3-3 and saved Germany. Jesus it was a comedy goal!
     
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  8. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
  9. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    It’s encouraging to see we’re not the only ones that seem to struggle with the art of defending at the moment. :ninja:
     
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  10. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    I think this is the cruz of the matter, we always seem to end up with coaches who seem to over complicate their set ups. International football doesn't lend well to maverick set ups, you simply don't have the time with the set ups to iron out the finer details you need in what limited time you have with the group.

    Then we end up looking a complete mess and conceding tonnes of goals against other more disciplined sides.
     
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  11. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
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  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
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  13. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Thread title update. Onto the next season now.

    Now the 2007 age group discussion thread.
     
  14. Jimmy Skitz

    Jimmy Skitz Member+

    Leicester City
    England
    Nov 4, 2020
    doesn't mean much of anything but Louis Page has scored twice in our first pre season game, currently beating Peterborough 3-1 (Silko Thomas got the 3rd as I was typing), very young second half side but I wouldn't be shocked to see him in and around the squad if he isn't loaned out.

    EDIT: if he should be in the U20s thread now please move this post
     
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Blackburn have joined Premier League pair Wolves and Burnley in the race for 18-year-old English striker Devine Samuel, who has turned down a new contract at Leyton Orient. (Birmingham World, external)
     
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  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Stoke midfielder, Sol Sidibe, 18, an England youth international, is attracting the interest of Ligue 1 side Lille. (Stoke Sentinel, external)
     
  17. JAMC_

    JAMC_ Member

    England
    Jul 4, 2022
    Oliver Whatmuff has joined Rochdale on a season long loan. Decent first loan considering he’s still only 17.
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Sunderland are ready to give teenage sensation Chris Rigg a pay rise to keep him from Premier League rivals. (The Sun)
     

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