England U-16 Discussion Thread #2 [R] (2009 born)

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, May 4, 2012.

  1. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Kavuma aside, do you think it looked like a weaker group compared to years gone by or was it largely similar?
     
  2. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Annoyingly I started to record the highlights at full time but managed to cock it up, RKM's goals were super impressive though.
     
  3. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    Off today's showing, I wouldn't say it's a noticably weaker group but it's too early to say either way.

    Individually you can tell there are some really really oustanding players, although as a collective they struggled slightly. Was interesting that they played with more 'old fashioned' non-inverted wingers, however I think Monga slightly suffered as a result of that though.
     
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  4. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
  5. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    I'm yet to see any age group, if we start with the 2000s, that is noticeably weaker than any other.

    They may each have certain strengths or weaknesses but they're all good and none are perfect, so i'm not sure why the narrative comes up pretty regularly about certain years being 'the weak ones.'
     
  6. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    #4806 MrSnrub, Aug 27, 2024
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    I feel like you'd have a hard time genuinely saying that the '05 group isn't both notably weaker in performances and overall personnel than other recent year groups. I mean, are you genuinely telling me you see no difference between them and the 00's and 03s? They didn't get knocked out of the U17 qualifying in a comfortable defeat to Luxembourg, or fail to even make it to the elite round in the U19 Euro's by fluke - both comfortably the worst performances of an England age group at their respective levels in many years.

    Of course such is the case with youth groups if you have a couple of high performing players come through it doesn't really matter if the rest of the group didn't amount to much. Out the opposite scale the '97 group was extraordinarily successful in youth football but none of that really translated to any important players for the senior side.
     
  7. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    The 05s as a collective underperformed almost comically but I think time is showing them to actually be a pretty talented year group on an individual level.

    Obviously we already have Mainoo at the top but quite a few of them seem to be adjusting to senior football very well, even if it is early days for some of them. Think there's a decent chance a few more senior internationals come out of that group alongside Mainoo.
     
  8. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    The U19 qualifiers were pretty freakish and they are lacking attacking width.

    But I think in Clark, Bellingham, O'Reilly, Mainoo, Hall and Hinshelwood, they've got great depth of brilliant + versatile midfielders. Then strong centre backs, but most interestingly, the best left back depth we've had in an age group for a long time.

    Having multiple good left backs and midfielders doesn't win you a tournament or even necessarily qualify you for a tournament, but it's no less important than another age group that has 2 more great left footed players for the right wing to add to the pile.
     
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  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The best 97 for national performances by far has been Rashford who was promoted to the seniors so early he didn’t get many youth appearances,
     
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  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Talking about Tyrese Hall

    ‘Tottenham are being ultra-selective about where they send highly-rated teenager Tyrese Hall on loan this season. (Daily Express)’
     
  11. Port Vale Fan

    Port Vale Fan Member

    May 30, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Does anyone know if the full game is uploaded anywhere?
     
  12. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
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  13. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    Lost 5-0.
     
  14. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    So, we won the first game 3-2 and lost the second 5-0. That’s under 16 football for you with much changed teams.
     
  15. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    Reece Wilkes makes his senior debut, replacing an oustanding name.

     
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  16. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    Eddie Chadwick of LA Galaxy is apparently set to be in the next squad. Has played for the US at U15 level, including against England.
     
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  17. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Looks like his father is English and his mother is Singaporean.
     
  18. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
  19. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Saw a few people online say that he was born in England and was in the Southampton Academy before his family moved to California.
     
  20. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    Archie Thornton (Man City) is in the squad
     
  21. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Kavuma-McQueen, Rabbaj, Holland and Toby Bell from Chelsea I think.
     
  22. DeckerAFC80

    DeckerAFC80 New Member

    Apr 12, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    People tend to forget that Max Downman is actually in this age group too. With him and Kavuma McQueen you have two absolutely outstanding players in this group
     
  23. Port Vale Fan

    Port Vale Fan Member

    May 30, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Charlie Holland for me.
     
  24. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Full squad

    Goalkeepers: Charlie Hardy (Derby County), Toby Bell (Chelsea), Thomas Streets (Sheffield Wednesday)

    Defenders: Riley Ebho (West Ham United), Oliver Wilkinson (Barnsley), Archie Thornton (Manchester City), Marlow Barrett (Manchester City), Patrick Stachow (Arsenal), Eddie Chadwick (LA Galaxy), Mathis Eboue (Watford)

    Midfielders: Freddie Lawrie (Aston Villa), Jeremy Monga (Leicester City), Charlie Holland (Chelsea), Floyd Samba (Manchester City), Hugo De Lisle (Leicester City), Sam Alabi (Newcastle United)

    Forwards: Ryan Kavuma (Chelsea), Malik Olayiwola (Everton), Michael Mills (Newcastle United), Ibrahim Rabbaj (Chelsea), Jacob Parsons (Brighton), Oliver Boast (Leeds United), Ajay Tavares (Norwich City)
     
  25. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Some of you might already know this but I just learnt Mathis Eboue is the son of former Arsenal right-back, Emmanuel Eboue. Quite interesting seeing an increasing number of sons of former Premier League foreign players pop up in England youth teams.
     

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