England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

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  1. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
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  2. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Yes players are going to duck when they have a clear header on goal
     
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  3. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    There's a massive difference in heading balls from the 60s and 70s compared to today's balls.
     
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  4. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Footballs in the 50s 60s 70s weighed a ton
     
  5. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah can you imagine playing in the Champions League or on the International front, we would be like, please don’t cross the ball into the box because we aren’t allowed to head the ball meanwhile the Continentals are laughing their socks off scoring at will.
     
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  6. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Yes. Touching the ball with your head will be seen as like handball
     
  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Unfortunately that’s a myth. Experts think the current balls are probably just as dangerous.
     
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  8. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Ok, you do realise you need a blanket ban across all of football to pull this off right, not just in England and I highly ( very highly ) doubt your going to get this agreed across the board currently.
     
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  9. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Fireburn's predications become more and more outlandish
     
  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Maybe it won’t apply to current professionals but the Under 11 ban will certainly make it all the way up to U21 level of academy football. And then after that new professional won’t want to hear the ball as they won’t have learned how to.
     
  11. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Not sure if this has been mentioned but Hayden Hackney has signed for Everton. Hopefully makes a case for getting in the England squad.
     
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  12. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah that’s not a possibility unless it’s a blanket ban across the board. No English players will know how to head the ball in that case, it’s not something you can suddenly master after U21 football if you’ve not practiced it.
     
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  13. Cheshire Cat

    Cheshire Cat Member

    Manchester United
    England
    Jun 16, 2026
    Yep, footballs weigh the same as they always did, but in the past they were porous and became heavier when wet. That said, it would be more difficult to cross a heavy ball to get height on it.
    Geoff Hurst said that when he played, most of the heading actually went on in training sessions rather than in the match.
     
  14. andals

    andals Member

    Jun 13, 2015
    i don't disagree entirely with Fireburn regarding heading rules/regulations changing. maybe "evolving" is a better word. it is, however, unlikely there will be a blanket ban in the adult, and certainly professional, game.

    one thing is certain - both adult and professional leagues will face heavier pressure to enforce strict weekly quotas on training headers, capping deliberate repetitions during sessions.

    this is all due to pediatric neurology, for children, and all the CTE headlines you hear in the professional game. for example: "Broad epidemiological studies have revealed that former professional soccer players face a 3.5 times higher risk of dying from neurodegenerative conditions like Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), dementia, and ALS."

    current guidelines below. it hasn't taken that long for them to become far more stringent.

    United States
    • Ages 10 and under (U11 and younger): Heading is completely banned in both practices and games. If a player intentionally heads the ball, the referee stops play and awards an indirect free kick to the opposing team.
    • Ages 11 to 13 (U12 and U13): Heading is allowed during games, but restricted in practice to a maximum of 30 minutes per week, with a limit of 15 to 20 headers per player.
    • Ages 14 and older: There are no restrictions on heading.
    United Kingdom
    • Ages 11 and under (U12 and below): Heading is completely banned in matches (games).
    • Ages 12 to 16: There is a graduated approach to heading in training, with deliberate heading in training sessions limited to one session per week, and a maximum of 5 to 10 headers in that session. Matches have no heading restrictions.
    • Ages 18 and older: No limits on heading.
     
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  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Basically there is no justification to only ban it for 11 year olds. Yes it would have put English trained players at a disadvantage if they did not learn it until the senior game but not having dementia is better than that and new skills would likely remove a lot of the disadvantages (Better ball control for example). Football should really only be played with the foot.
     
  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Playing style constantly change. Short corners for example and the ability to defend a corner with feet would both negate those problems. It would be less disruptive than you would expect. Other counties would follow as well and the FA is always a trend setter.
     
  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Newcastle United’s hopes of landing England goalkeeper James Trafford, 23, from Manchester City have been increased with Aston Villa - a potential rival for his signature - keen to keep hold of their number one, 33-year-old Argentine Emiliano Martinez. However, Chelsea are also interested. (Chronicle)
     
  18. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Wtf would he join Newcastle
     
  19. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    What level are you expecting him to go to? He's only ever had one season as a number one in the Premier League and it didn't go well.

    I think he has world-class potential as a goalkeeper but he still needs to take the steps.
     
  20. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Why not? You would rather he warmed the bench at City? Also where do you think he should go to, from the Clubs that are interested.
     
  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC


    Curtis Jones to Forest? That would be a bit of a shame, nothing against Forest but think he would have been a hit for Inter in Italy.
     
  22. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Unbelievable coup for Forest but yeah, he's well above that level. He's a Champions League midfielder and given he seems to be available for about £35m he's one of the best value deals on the market.

    I remember Barry saying on here he thinks he's misunderstood as a player and I think that's quite true. It's probably what works against him with England too. He has to be up there with the most underrated players in the league.

    It's also funny that Forest are essentially seeing him as the Anderson replacement, which is exactly what we should've done for this World Cup.
     
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  23. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Last season was a let down for Forest. Marinakis is clearly looking make a statement this year, and likely explains the appeal to Glasner (along with his reported salary).
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    He posted a confused emoji under a post about this which suggests it’s not accurate.
     
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  25. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC


    Liverpool fans can’t have another hissy fit when Jones ultimately doesn’t sign a new contract and leaves on a free transfer.
     

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