England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Branthwaite won’t even be fit to be a reserve waste of spot even in 55 player list,
     
  2. Either Branthwaite's hamstring is not as bad as reported - or Tuchel has just tossed it off once he got past 30-odd names
     
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  3. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The full article mentions Trent, Gallagher and Scott also on the 55 player list.

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    Luke Shaw, Danny Welbeck and Jarrad Branthwaite are set to be included in the provisional World Cup squad Thomas Tuchel will submit to Fifa. Tuchel must give a maximum of 55 names before today’s deadline, then will name a final 26 next week at Wembley.

    Tuchel’s longlist, which is not made public, is effectively all those available, including players such as Shaw, Welbeck and Branthwaite who have yet to play under the German coach. The likes of Trent Alexander-Arnold, Conor Gallagher and Alex Scott were not in the March squad but are available for the World Cup, where England’s first match is June 17.

    Shaw has been excellent for Manchester United as they have returned to the Champions League. Branthwaite’s only cap was against Bosnia and Herzegovina in the build-up to Euro 2024 but Gareth Southgate did not include him in the final squad.

    Welbeck’s last cap was in September 2018, after he went to the World Cup earlier that year. There have been calls for him to be Harry Kane’s back-up after his 14 goals for Brighton this season

     
  4. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    This generation has a bit more balance but not quite the depth in defence. In midfield its getting very close and attack wise Kanes as good as Owen or Rooney. Still think the golden generation overall had the better players but either ran into even more stacked teams or bad luck.
     
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  5. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Tuchel has picked 51 different players in his squads so far (47 have got onto the pitch). Shaw, Welbeck and Branthwaite would make it 54. It could possibly mean only be one more player is left unknown on the provisional squad.

    Or there are a couple more and he’s completely dropped certain options that he does not seem fond of e.g. Ivan Toney.
     
  6. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I'm hoping for Ngumoha
     
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  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Probably hasn’t included Walker on the list as he has retired and probably hasn’t included Steele on the list as he is likely to be going as a non playing member.
     
  8. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Good point but I think Steele likely will be included. You pretty much pick six keepers in the preliminary squad. Cover for all three of your keepers. May aswell give that sixth spot (that has no chance of going) to someone who is definitely going to be in camp.
     
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  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    You probably right. (Through with Tuchel going to watch Jack Butland the other week it could be him during the non playing role instead)

    With the other two being Ramsdale and Pope?
     
  10. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Can’t see Butland being near the squad. Ramsdale and Pope are the other two keepers.
     
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  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I mean he fits the bill as an experienced player who could be an alternative to Steele in being the non playing one,
     
  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Gallagher starts for Spurs. Austin, Spence, Maddison and Gray are on the bench.
    Justin and Calvert-Lewin start for Leeds. Byram, Chadwick and Longstaff are on the bench.
     
  13. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I think if Carrick had gone it would have made a huge difference. Also losing Scholes was a big blow. We could have played 433 with Carrick as the holder and Lampard and Gerrard in front. Or Lampard and Gerrard with Scholes as the 10
     
  14. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Carrick did go to that tournament, and we played 4-5-1 in both the knock out games at that tournament, and Carrick even started the RO16 game against Ecuador! (which was an incredibly stodgy performance even by the standards of that era of England games)
     
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  15. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Oh right don't remember much of him at that tournament
     
  16. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Spurs are so decimated that the only option on their bench that could potentially influence the game offensively is a player that has not played in a year (Maddison).
     
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  17. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Unfortunately it looks curtains for West Ham
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    And it won’t just be one season in the Championship- think a Leicester style double relegation will be possible.
     
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  19. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Look at my club. We've Been fighting relegation for most of the past 15 years since we were relegated
     
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  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    And there are lot of similarities in terms of messy ownership who are disliked by fans
     
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  21. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Thats not a pen
     
  22. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Maddison coming on. Good to see him back.
     
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  23. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
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  24. Slater582

    Slater582 Member+

    Jul 21, 2008
    Shrewsbury, England
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC




     
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  25. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    They lost yet another knockout penalty shootout.
     
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