England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    #1901 horrisengleton, Sep 15, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2024
    It's funny, because Brighton haven't even had any real success. They've had some admirable league finishes but they haven't won a cup competition and have qualified for Europe once, and when they did so they got slapped up in the last 16.

    They can point to their profit and loss sheet as an example of success I'm sure, but you don't build a competitive team by repeatedly stocking up on kids.

    100%. I posted an article in general football a few days ago by someone well in the know at academy level who said that line of thinking has trickled down into youth football now.

    The PL's exorbitant wealth is a blessing and a curse, but the trajectory now is very much veering more towards the negative imo.
     
  2. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    #1902 Inter Row Z, Sep 15, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2024
    I don’t know, if you’re not one of the big six do you really have to win something or go deep into a European competition to be classified as a success? To all intents and purposes, Brighton should be a mid-table Championship club at best. So the fact that they have become a fixture of the Premier League and play eye-catching football, despite continually losing their top players and successive managers, makes them massive overachievers for me. They stockpile on kids to pre-empt the next series of sales too, which also seems pretty smart thinking, so I can personally see why their system is the envy of most of the PL.
     
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  3. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Solanke back from Injury and starting for Spurs alongside Maddison. (With Forster, Spence and Gray on the bench.)
    White and Saka starting for Arsenal, (With Heaven, Lewis - Skelley, Nwaneri and Sterling on the bench.)
     
  4. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Just playing a bit of devil's advocate, but they've not really achieved anything that Stoke or Wigan haven't this century. Different methods, but similar results.
     
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  5. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    You don't, but they've been pretty clear that their aim is to do that. Tonly Bloom basically says their plan is to buy and sell their way into being so rich they can compete with the big boys, which when you consider how they're going about it and the prices they're now paying for these youngsters is hilariously naive.

    I get that not every club will try to replicate the Brighton model in order to win things, but high potential youngsters are becoming so expensive that model is becoming irreplicable for many other clubs.
     
  6. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Forgetting that Wigan actually won the FA Cup, I'd say that both clubs achieved great 'success' by simply punching above their weight and enjoying a sustained spell in the Premier. It's all relative. The difference with Brighton seems to be that they have got a framework in place which (they believe) will keep them in the promised land longer, rather than having to rely on a rich benefactor or Tony Pulis's overly-physical long ball game.
     
  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    The key is their framework continuing to pay off, and that's just speculative at the moment. Will they hit a run of their signings not paying off? Or appoint a dud of a manager?
    Good teams have been relegated before (some you could argue better than Brighton), and would their system survive a relegation?
     
  8. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Who can tell? Like I say, we've seen so called 'model' clubs with intelligent recruitment strategies before in teams like Southampton and Swansea, but they weren't ultimately sustainable. Brighton and Brentford's data-driven approach on the other hand, seems to come with long-term contingency plans and be a bit more future-proof, so it'll be interesting to see if they fair any better.
     
  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Lee Carsley is at the North London Derby. Big match for Maddison and Solanke chances then. .
     
  10. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Arsenal need to deploy Nwaneri.
     
  11. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Spurs vs Arsenal isn't the best advert for the PL.
     
  12. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    I wonder what PL teams see in Timo Werner?
     
  13. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Saka off injuried, Nwaneri on.
     
  14. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Good extra defender for Arsenal today.
     
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  15. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Martinelli is useless too. Can’t get my head around why arteta likes him. ESR was so much better than him
     
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  16. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Good goal from Wolves.
     
  17. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Great goal from Barnes
     
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  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The way things are going he might be the last English manager in the PL as Dyche and O’Neil are in more danger,
     
  19. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Newcastle need to find away to play both Barnes and Gordon from the start.
     
  20. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    How do you suggest doing that? They are both clearly best on the left wing
     
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  21. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    he really wasn’t

    martinelli 2 seasons ago and was great but his form has dropped

    much better player than esr and more reliable fitness wise
     
  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  23. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    That was my point.
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    ‘Arteta on injury list: “Saka was not able to continue today, I don’t know exactly what it is but he could not continue”.’


    Gallagher starting for Athletico Madrid.
     
  25. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Wait until the end of the season and see what ESR has contributed in terms of goals and assists.
    He never got the chance under arteta to prove how good he was. Martinelli’s form hasn’t been any good for a while now
     
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