England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    He's spent an absolute fortune. Far more than wenger. Wenger was totally unappreciated
     
  2. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I'm also convinced emery would have won them more trophies
     
  3. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    I agree they are tougher to beat and score against, but the idea they’re much tougher and/or much more reliable is a myth.

    City have only conceded four more goals than Arsenal now after tonight, albeit have played a game fewer. This is despite having not had Rodri for large parts of the season and having been much less settled than Arsenal generally.

    Prior to tonight, I’d have agreed with your hypothesis of Arsenal will get over the line despite being uninspiring, even when there was a meltdown after the Brentford result.

    Tonight has swung it for me though. I’m actually not sure anymore. I genuinely think their game model is now not just ugly to watch, but fundamentally flawed. Playing on fine margins in the modern day when there is so much quality throughout the league, leaves you vulnerable to dropping points too often.

    Add in the amount of pressure they are under and I think it’s really in the balance.
     
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  4. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I know we say it every time on here but he sucks the soul out of the game. Like I say, I think they'll win it this year but I wonder at what point Arsenal fans get sick of him. I feel like you'd need your team to win the league every year to stomach watching that week in, week out. Maybe they'll evolve and open up a bit, but they're an absolute slog to watch.
     
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  5. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Do they ever criticise it. I never really come a lot of criticism of Arsenal’s style in the media or on social media from their fans and supporters.
     
  6. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof

    He's such a flapper. Looks like an outfield player made to go in goal
     
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  7. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    ]It's a shame that it is happening to Arsenal on the 10th anniversary of them last winning the title


    ramsey-selfie.png
     
  8. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    I think they enjoyed it initially because it was an antidote to the worst aspects of the final few Wenger years (physically soft, weak defensively, uncompetitive in big games). I think you’re right though that for all the siege mentality they portray online over it, deep down they know that the ends will have to justify the means otherwise it’s just a terrible product.
     
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  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Gomes, Mane and Armstrong started for Wolves. Edozie was used from the bench. Johnstone and Rawlings were unused.
    Rice, Madueke and Saka started for Arsenal. Eze was used from the bench. White and Lewis-Skelly were unused.

    Edozie and Saka scored.
    Rice got an assist.
     
  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Pope, Tripper, Burn, Hall, Willock, Barnes and Gordon started for Newcastle. Neave, Murphy and Ramsey were used from the bench. Ruddy, Ramsdale, Harris and Shahahr were unused.

    Quansah started for Leverkusen.

    Gordon x 4 (2 pen) and Murphy scored.

    Burn, Tripper and Hall got assists.
     
  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Manchester United are regretting their decision to agree to sell England forward Marcus Rashford to Barcelona for £26m because they believe the 28-year-old is now worth around £50m. (Star)

    English striker Liam Delap, 23, is likely to leave Chelsea this summer, sparking interest from clubs including Manchester United, Newcastle and Everton.(Caughtoffside), external

    Manchester United are prepared to let 25-year-old England winger Jadon Sancho leave for free at the end of the season. (Sun)

    Tottenham could spend big this summer with a potential move for Aston Villa’s 23-year-old England midfielder Morgan Rogers on the cards. (Football Insider), external
     
  12. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    Bet Rogers can't wait to move to Spurs.
     
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  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Anderson and Gibbs-White getting assists.
     
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  14. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Wharton has been average so far but on Palace, what do teams see in brennan Johnson? He's so mediocre it's untrue. 35 million plus the huge fee spurs paid for him. He wouldn't look out of place in league 1
     
  15. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Anderson outclassing kante and ghendouzi. Meanwhile Wharton struggling with Palace. Anderson is a far better player
     
  16. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    He has his limitations but any player that scores 18 goals a cross the PL and Cup comps is not a league one player.
     
  17. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    He scores a few goals but the rest of his game is league 1
     
  18. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    You really hate the Welsh….
     
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  19. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Yep but I'd still say he's shit
     
  20. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Just looking at some of the comments from that post, seems there’s a few Utd fans not having him. ‘ Just a sideways and backwards player ‘ and he’s just another McTomminey ‘ :laugh:
     
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  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Tottenham’s 27-year-old Argentina defender Cristian Romero and England midfielder Conor Gallagher, 26, are among those who would almost certainly leave Spurs this summer if they are relegated. (Athletic - subscription required), external

    Newcastle’s England winger Anthony Gordon, 24, says he will not let transfer speculation affect him after being linked with Liverpool and Arsenal. (Sun), external

    Manchester City’s English goalkeeper James Trafford, 23, is prioritising a move to Aston Villa over Newcastle United this summer. (Football Insider), external
     
  23. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England


    Wharton belongs a bit further forward. The tweets above are a good analytical take imo. I'm taking purely stylistically here, but he's closer to Cesc Fabreges than a Xabi Alonso or a Rodri.

    He hasn't scored a single goal for Palace but we know from his Rovers days that he has an eye for goal that isn't really being unutilised right now. He can contribute in all phases of the game in possession but his final ball is his bread and butter.
     
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  24. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I think his stats will improve in a better team. Numerous times he had the chance to shoot at goal yesterday but instead passed it to a teammate. He needs to be more selfish
     
  25. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Clueless armchair fans
     

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