England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    The fa really are full of lazy decisions making. This has never changed. Any extension should at least have some kind of tournament performance clause attached.

    Really if you look back the only way managers get sacked is through off the pitch incidents or failing to qualify for tournaments.
     
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  2. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I have a good feeling this summer. Even though we have no chance of winning it, I'm confident under tuchel we'll make the semis
     
  3. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Do we know either way that this new contract doesn't? You'd think a break clause after each tournament would be beneficial for both parties.
     
  4. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    For once you'd have to say the FA are fully justified in jumping the gun, as Tuchel is probably still the best man for the job.

    We've seen enough of him now to recognise he's a good fit for us. Particularly with English managerial candidates remaining thin on the ground and Eddie Howe's stock nose diving. And give me Tuchel anyday over the glut of ill-suited Pep clones.
     
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  5. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    ...and the best thing about this announcement. Fireburn can leave his one-man "Graham Potter For England Manager" bandwagon parked up where he left it, in the lead up to Southgate's departure :)
     
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  6. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    If a manager wants to walk away he walks away, whether he has a contract or not. It's stupid to give him one when the World Cup could be a disaster.
     
  7. ColUFan

    ColUFan Member

    Colchester United
    England
    Apr 22, 2022
    True, but the FA can demand compensation if he does, just like they pay it if they sack him.

    As I said, I can just imagine the outcry in the unlikely event we actually win the thing and he walks because they didn't offer him anything.
     
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  8. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I'd rather take a chance on tuchel for the next euros than risk someone like Eddie howe or someone similar
     
  9. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    Just saw a City fan do one of those team/depth chart things for next season and have Gvardiol and Dias as their starting CB partnership.

    Lol, who’s gonna tell him…..
     
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  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Nobody knows. Mark Bullingham wouldn’t answer that question directly but he said they are performance related elements. If there is one I suspect it would have to be an hideous performance for the FA to consider it. They didn’t change the manager after the mess of 2010 or 2014. Would they have even sacked Hodgson after 2016 if he had a contract to 2018?
     
  11. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Even IF we have a bad upcoming tournament I have no issue with Tuchel taking the next campaign.

    The upcoming World Cup is going to be one of the most challenging ever with the format, location and current sporting schedule.

    Bite the bullet if it goes awry and work towards the Euros.
     
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  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Surely It depends of what type of bad it is. Could play well and lose because of bad luck or conditions or look awful, messy and get reports of dressing room issues. The later is where a change might be called for by a lot of people.
     
  13. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    The more recent FA hierarchy have never cared about calls to get rid of coaches though. Capello, Hodgson and Southgate had pretty significant calls against their roles and they were ignored.

    Keeping Carsley at U21 level is also a huge add on effect. Feels inconceivable that we get anyone as good as him in that role again.
     
  14. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    Don’t know if anyone saw it, it’s been mentioned or where to post, but Mikey Moore was on the end of a horrific tackle last night.

    Why do elite Pl clubs insist on sending talented, technical young players to leagues like Scotland or the lower leagues of the EFL.

    These leagues are stuck in the 70s/ 80s and still have a culture of romanticising thuggery and destruction, rather than actually getting the ball down and playing football.

    If player A nutmegs player B in Spain/Portugal, player B’s response is to try and nutmeg them back or do something equally skilful. In places like Scotland, it’s to kick lumps out of them.

    Time to put a stop to sending youngsters with flair and class to technical wastelands like Scotland.
     
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  15. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Yes they would have sacked Hodgson.
     
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  16. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    You could post it in the U19s thread, given Mikey is part of that squad.

    It was a bad tackle, and the player rightly got sent off. I watch a lot of Scottish football you are being a bit over the top with the thuggery angle.

    I think loans are quite good for England Youth Internationals from u19-u21 at Rangers and Celtic as the demand and pressure is great learning experience, they won't get pretty much anywhere else.
     
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  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    A lot of Fans and lot of the media backed Southgate. If the Summer sadly goes wrong I think that might not be quite the case for Tuchel. And the way things works now days seems to favour those who can shout the loudest.
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Sterling has joined Feyenoord. Didn’t see that coming.
     
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  19. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Nations League group -

    Group A3: Spain, Croatia, England, Czech Republic
     
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  20. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    A lot of very vocal people didn’t back Southgate. A lot wanted Capello gone after the WC. Why isn’t that relevant? Capello had a disaster and survived.

    This is your argument regardless. A media and fan backlash will force an issue. The evidence pretty much goes against it.
     
  21. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I find this more boring than being in the lower group. Feel like we play these teams over and over again.
     
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  22. Catenaccio88

    Catenaccio88 Member

    England
    Sep 23, 2023
    #18997 Catenaccio88, Feb 12, 2026
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2026
    The FA must really like what they've seen so far from him - not just results, but strong buy-In & commitment from Tuchel.
     
  23. Catenaccio88

    Catenaccio88 Member

    England
    Sep 23, 2023
    I think Tuchel rates this group of players and the past 12-15 months has convinced him he can do something with them; reach a semi or a final.

    Otherwise I don't think he'd have extended another two years. Its not like he'd be out of work if he went back in to club football after the WC
     
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  24. RobTheFool

    RobTheFool Member+

    Apr 19, 2008
    London, England
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Was really hoping we got group 1 or 4 for some different teams. We should be finishing top 2 in our group though
     
  25. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Always feels destined that we have to face Croatia. Feels like we almost play them more than any other Country from over the past 10 years.
     
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