England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    That's a fair point
     
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  2. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The more you watch Rogers, the more you see why no big club will pay a huge fee for him, and why he's signed a new deal at Villa (and will probably be there for quite a while).

    He's a good player who can come up with real moments of quality, but his game is not very deep.
     
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  3. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Gets motm. Englands midfield options are insane at the moment.
     
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  4. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Better second half, but still not that great.
     
  5. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    And in front of Tuchel.

     
  6. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Didn’t seen the game but apparently Garner was lucky to escape a red, surely that wouldn’t have impressed the onlooking Tuchel!
     
  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I've noticed a number of times recently Henry Winter being described as "revered".
    He's a decent writer, but he's no Brian Glanville.
     
  8. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    Rashford scores for Barcelona.
     
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  9. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
  10. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Arteta has been reluctant to start Eze and Odegaard together in midfield, doing so just once this season.

    The Arsenal boss may argue that such a setup lacks balance, as one of Declan Riceor Martin Zubimendi would have to drop out of the team.

    It all points towards Eze being one of Arteta’s “finishers” off the bench – which makes his lack of minutes in the last two games even harder to understand.

    And the wider worry for Eze will be how all of this impacts his chances of going to the World Cup this summer.

    He has performed well under Thomas Tuchel, scoring against Serbia in November and Latvia the month before.

    But the forward places for England are so competitive – especially as Cole Palmer is back on the scene.

    Tuchel is a big fan of Palmer. In his voting for the FIFA Best Awards, Tuchel picked Palmer as the second best player of 2025 behind Harry Kane.

    The concern for Eze will be whether he can get the minutes at Arsenal to show why he should be on the plane to the USA.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/37946123/eberechi-eze-troubled-arsenal-transfer-world-cup-snub/
     
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  11. andals

    andals Member

    Jun 13, 2015
    Garner's flexibility must be appealing for TT. playing and winning a whole tournament at RB has to be a feather in the cap.
     
  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I wonder what Tuchel thinks of Everton doing this. It’s good in one way to see a club embrace their players International ambitions but equally it can cause issues if come March and May all he sledges if Pickford.
     
  13. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Garner has had a good season bit curtis jones should really be back in the squad come March, he just fits what Tuchel wants from the midfield extremely well and is simply better than our other options outside the squad.

    Possibly there would be room for both if henderson dropped out but it seems unlikely that will happen (hopefully Henderson losing his starting spot may have changed things at least)
     
  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It would be very harsh if Jones doesn’t get back in. He is starting regularly now again.
     
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  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Two England midfielders - Nottingham Forest’s Elliot Anderson, 23, and Crystal Palace’s Adam Wharton, 21 - are on Manchester United’s list of targets for the summer. (Football Insider)

     
  16. Wendigo7

    Wendigo7 Member+

    Bournemouth
    England
    Mar 31, 2015
    Poole
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Lack of strikers to finish chances and stretch defences is a huge problem. This passing through bloody everything is a hard, hard watch at times.
     
  17. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I think a lot of that is the standard they have to reach to be effective. Physical enough to fend of big and now FAST centrebacks, athletic enough to take part in the press with the movement and finishing to not need a strike partner or wingers chucking the ball in the box every chance they get. I think a lot of the players who would have been top strikers are now wingers/wide forwards instead.
     
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  18. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Agree on this. If you look at who the successful strikers are in the PL at the moment, and they're big guys. Haaland's record probably gives him a bit of a pass against some of this, but then you have Thiago, Calvert-Lewin, Welbeck and Mateta.
    You just don't see many Michael Owens, David Villas, Gary Linekers etc.

    Teams will adapt, though. Prevelent formations and tactics always evolve as teams look to counter the successful teams. It think that's what we're seeing at the moment, but it will take time to fully manifest.
     
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  19. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Modern pressing tactics favour defenders, space is suffocated which is what attacking players need to create chances for strikers. Pitches are capped at a maximum size so I don't see a tactical remedy to this issue as it's about the organisation and fitness of players, if anything it will get worse in terms of boring games. I think the obvious thing to get more goals would be a liberalising of the offside rule like the Wenger proposition. United would've beaten City 4-0 at the weekend under such rules for example and @Fireburn47 would be getting a feeling about Mount going to the World Cup instead of Bellingham.
     
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  20. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Agreed. Although I think there's a bit that can be done tactically, it's just whether there's a will to do it. Teams started aggressively man marking as a response to rigid positional play, and rather than give players significantly more freedom to move, teams have responded by starting to go more direct and rely on set pieces, largely because it's the least risky adaptation.

    The less a team moves, the easier they are to man mark, so if you encourage dribbling in central areas, more associative combination play between players (such passing the ball into heavily marked players and allow others to move around them) etc, you be become far harder to man mark.

    There are managers around Europe who are trying to move in this direction in some of the smaller leagues and are doing it with a lot of success. Racing Santander in La Liga 2 are the best example, but you can see shades of it in Middlesbrough too. Then at a higher level you've got Kompany and Luis Enrique incorporating aspects of this, same with Spalletti at Juventus. It's just a more high risk style that carriers a far greater risk of getting slapped on the counter attack, so I think we're a long way from seeing this in the Premier League.

    Ultimately it might just prove that Arsenal-esque rigid conservatism is more effective than soulful football the majority of the time at the elite level, in which case we may have to start fiddling with the rulebook for the good of the sport's long-term health, as you've alluded to.
     
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  21. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    The will to do it is the key thing. I wonder if we'll see teams start to experiment a bit this year once they feel safe from relegation. We're already seeing teams trying to counter strong set piece approaches by leaving more players on the halfway line.

    Boro are an interesting team at the moment. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do once Hellberg has really bedded in. They do have an advantage in the Championship as they've got several midfielders who can play that way at that level. He's also typically playing two strikers, and they are doing a lot of pressing. Combining this with less technically gifted defenders is causing teams problems.
     
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  22. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Lack of the fundamentals is a big issue. Quite a lot of these modern CF’s can’t even be relied upon to head the ball or anticipate where the ball will end up. Almost seems unique to see a player score a header from a cross in open play.
     
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  23. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yeah, there's simply not enough incentive for managers to take major risks at big clubs, especially in the Premier League. Any revolution in that direction would probably have to come from elsewhere in Europe.
     
  24. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Ghuei has signed for city. Really hope it works out for him. He's as good as dias and gvardiol
     
  25. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    If Stones can get fit, It may end up being a good thing for England.
     
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