England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

It does cover him but Tuchel probably won’t start Burn as a starter . I think he could start Stones a starter even if he is not a club level. We have seen how often that doesn’t work at international level anymore.

Of course if Man City get massive sanctions and they are calls for their players to be left out in the aftermath it’s a potential huge problem to have two options in the same position

 

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I feel ghuei is making a big mistake going to city

 

The word if does a lot of heaving lifting in your posts

Maybe knock the conspiracy theories on the head for a bit ?

 

I think Bayern would have suited him better but who knows what goes on really

Palace are going to miss him a lot

 

How come?

 

Is going to City ever really a big mistake for anyone? They never really try to keep anyone who wants to leave.

 

Because once gvardiol and dias are fit he's going to be on the bench

 

I hope it works out for him at city but going abroad would have suited him better

 

I really don’t think he will unless he has a torrid time.

 

The same thought just occurred to me while listening to a snippet from Wayne Rooney's podcast featuring a United fan who is disgusted(!) with the idea of Southgate having anything to do with his club.

I've always found it amusing that his most vehement critics are, in a lot of cases, a mix of the "too cool to give a shit about England" types and overseas fans who have this tedious culture warrior element to their football fandom. Because while the Southgate hate stems primarily from the perception of him as a media darling, which is undoubtedly accurate up to a point, many (though not all; some are legitimate) of the points made against him speak to a kind of retrograde “English” idea of what a football manager should be (in that he appears more studious and less shouty shouty) and an inflated sense of how good England’s players are/were.

I remember someone in this thread saying a few weeks ago that United and Arsenal might've been better off signing Calvert-Lewin and Abraham instead of Sesko and Gyokeres. Given how the latter two have performed so far, you could well make that case, but had they each gone for those unfashionable English options, they’d have been pilloried for their lack of ambition, and the signings would have been seen as tokenistic. I think the Amorim vs Southgate debate has echoes of that as well.

 

He'll probably be rotated with gvadiol going back to left-back which will be bad for o'reilly. I sound like Fireburn now

 

nobody talking about the domino effect on Alleyne?

 

Once Pep leaves, theres likely going to be a period of instability. He would of been much better suited going to a team like Bayern.

 

I find it a bit weird that people are shocked at how well he's doing at Bayern Munich. He was 20 goals a season for 7 or 8 season a Spurs. Now hes in a better team in a weaker league hes doing even better. He was French,Spanish or Italian he'd be seen in a different light.

 

Kelvin Phillips would like a word.

 

I saw some clip a couple of years ago where a southern Liverpool fan goes " As Liverpool fans our culture is to not support the England team "

Don't understand that mentality at all

 

That is mostly down to him though. He could have left after his first season but decided to stay for trophies and money.

 

A mistake is a mistake.

 

Not sure about the Guehi move, feels like from an england perspective hed be better off waiting till the end of the season. Do city really want him or is he a relatively cheap stop gap option while they have their injuries?

Also feels quite harsh on Alleyne who's had a great start with them, though I get clubs with near unlimited budgets are almost never going to rely on the academy for cover in positions like centre back.

I don't know about that, there's a lot of strong competition. Theorising the Nottingham Forest would ban Elliot Anderson from being called up for England because they were angry Spurs allegedly tried to tap up Gibbs White was my favourite. Or England would struggle to replace Southgate if he left after world cup 2022 because managers would fear not qualifying to Euro 2024.

 

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England midfielder James Ward-Prowse, 31, could be offered a route out of West Ham with Burnely interested in the former Southampton captain. (Sun), external

Manchester United have rejected several approaches from Premier League clubs and AC Milan for England defender Harry Maguire, 32, this month. (Sun, external)

 

3 English starters for Man United (Magure, Shaw and Mainoo) + 3 on the bench (Heaton, Mount and Fletcher)
3 English starters for Man City (Lewis, Alleyne and Foden) + 6 on the bench (Trafford, Bettinelli, Mfuni, O’Reilly, Mukasa and McAidoo)

 

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Foden and Allyene pulled at half time. Lewis on.

Foden is becoming more and more likely to miss out on the World Cup. Not many people would have tipped in 2024 the possibility of him and Palmer both missing out but that could realistically happen now.