England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

I'd rather the group games, than a knockout game in the QF's
Not that I believe in the ITV curse..

 

I was thinking more itvs coverage is shit. Much prefer to listen to guy Mowbray

 

A captain doesn’t have to start. There has been teams who have made a player who is not expected to start captain due to their experience.

 

BBC hoping it’s 4th time lucky. We have had 3 semis recently and all 3 have been on ITV. This time it will be if we make them.
BBC R32 and R16
ITV QF
BBC Semi.

 

When in the history of the game has an Xl taken the field without one of them being the captain?

 

I mean someone can be on field captain but not be the overall squad captain for the tournament.

 

Club football they can have an over all Club captain like John Terry still is for Chelsea but for International football? Would seem very odd for Henderson to lift the Cup if he has hardly played a part on the pitch…..

 

Make the squad odds with Bet365


1/33 Saka, Rice, Kane, Pickford
1/20 Konsa, Guehi
1/12 Foden
1/10 D. Henderson, Anderson, Rogers
1/8 Gordon, James
1/7 Bellingham
1/6 Stones
2/7 Eze, Palmer, Trafford, J.Henderson, Rashford, O'Reilly
4/9 Bowen, Burn, Spence
1/2 Wharton
4/7 Madueke
4/6 Livramento
4/5 Watkins
Evs Pope, Quansah
11/10 Lewis-Skelly
6/5 Alex-Arnold
5/4 Gibbs-White
7/4 Chalobah, Grealish
2/1 Hall
5/2 Ramsdale
3/1 Branthwaite
7/2 Gallagher, Welbeck
4/1 Maguire
5/1 Mount
7/1 Scott
8/1 Toney, Tomori, Lewis, Gomez
9/1 Jones, Shaw, Loftus-Cheek, Mitchell
10/1 Delap, Solanke, Elliott, Mainoo, Gomes, Gittens, Colwill
12/1 White
14/1 Chilwell, Barnes, Garner
16/1 Miley, Dewsbury-Hall, King, Walker, Johnstone
25/1 Maddison, Nwaneri, Wilson, Murphy, Dowman, Hudson-Odoi
33/1 McAtee, Dunk, Tosin, Mings, Calvert-Lewin
40/1 Gray, Rushworth, Hinshelwood, Acheampong, Hutchinson, Ngumoha, Dibling
50/1 Kilman, Sessegnon, Nketiah, Smith-Rowe, Jobe Bellingham
66/1 Dier, Heaven, Cresswell, Potts, Ramsey, Sancho, Lewis-Potter, Cook, Longstaff, Morton, George
100/1 Chukwuemeka, Rigg, Bogle, Cooper, Barkley, Yates, Harwood-Bellis, Willock, Phillips

 

When you see this list and realise they’re all playing top flight football, you see how much depth we have.

 

Why is Foden that high. His return last time and his good form makes it pretty likely but it’s still more likely he is left out than D Henderson is.

 

It would. But I am sure I’ve seen captains at World Cup who don’t normally start but because of experience were made captain. None have won through.

 

It’s a betting market it’s literally where the money has gone. Go on betfair and back against it if you think the odds aren’t right!

 

Bellingham starts for Real Madrid.
O’Reilly and Foden for Man City (Trafford, Bettinelli and Lewis on bench).

White, Lewis-Skelly and Madueke start for Arsenal. (Setford, Nichols, Salmon, Eze, Nwaneri, Copley and Saka on bench)

Quansah starts for Leverkusen.
Ramsdale, Livramento, Burn, Hall, Barnes and Gordon start for Newcastle. (Thompson, Harrison, Willock, Ramsey, Miley and Murphy are on the bench).


Kelly starts for Juventus.

Jobe starts for Dortmund. Chukwuemeka on the bench.

 

The first tiebreaker at the World Cup is now head to head rather than goal difference.

 

Madueke looks a player for arsenal

 

Chelsea could do with a player like him...

 

Nico o'reilly has the same problem as Lewis-skelly. He likes to come inside which leaves big spaces at left-back. And he's just scored

 

This is definitely the case but I do think we should be questioning it. Even if he doesn't start every game, he plays plenty enough to justify a spot in the team and he's clearly one of our better midfielders. I think there have been one or two clearly inferior midfielders to Jones in every single England squad in Tuchel's reign.

Managers need to find the right weighting between playing time and the quality of the players in question. The likes of Alex Scott and Jordan Henderson would not be starting every week (or at all in Henderson's case) if they played for one of the bigger teams in the league and not a mid-table side. It's self-defeating to be that fussy about playing time imo.

 

Nico o'reilly involved with penalty

 

O'Reilly has been outstanding the last 15 minutes

 

I wonder what Real Madrid’s inevitable new manager will think of Jude and Trent. If Jude doesn’t get enough starts will Tuchel count that against him?

 

I’d imagine he’s being instructed to by Pep, for me he is a much better conventional Left Back compared to Skelly.

 

Why is your hypothetical new manager dropping Bellingham?

 

Because obviously something is not working at Real Madrid and he may choose to drop him?

 

Why? Compared to the other 9 outfield starters, what’s your thinking?