England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Manuel Neuer will always be a cheat for that

 

He admitted afterwards that he knew it went in and conned the ref by quickly throwing the ball out

 

What do you mean "at the moment" I'm 52 and thats all they've been in my lifetime.

 

Espn now getting in on the act.

 

Let me guess. Craig burley

 

How did you guess? Watching the Espn panels are like going back in time 15 years.

 

On Craig Hope’s tweet liming to the article he is comparing Jude to Just Stop Oil!

 

I saw that he was not happy. I have to review it. To a certain degree, if you have players like Jude who are so competitive, they will never like it. But my word stands - we are about standards and a level of commitment to each other and respect to each other. So if someone is waiting outside, we will not change our decision just because someone is waving with their arms.

'I don't want to make more out of it, but I stick to my words, "behaviour is key" and respect towards the team-mates who come in. Decisions are made and you have to accept it as a player.

'That is the decision and he has to accept the decision. His friend is waiting on the sideline. You need to accept it and respect it and keep on going. Jude was also on a yellow card and we made the decision before the second goal. The decision stands.

the above is Tuchel on Jude (transcript from earlier videos in this thread). how can you not get behind this? well said. gets my salute.

 

Lol have a word with yourself

 

Thomas Tuchel says England rely on set-pieces but does not believe it is a problem, pointing to how Arsenal are the benchmark in the Premier League for them, and says Bukayo Saka (inswingers) and Declan Rice (outswingers) are his first-choice set-piece takers pic.twitter.com/KGtLlSY4JF

— Hamzah Khalique-Loonat (@HKhaliqueLoonat) November 17, 2025

 

There seem to be two things Bellingham is getting called out for: (1) not celebrating a goal, and (2) his reaction to being subbed. I remember him high-fiving Kane, so he definitely did celebrate the goal; it seems churlish in the extreme to suggest he didn't do so with enough enthusiasm. In terms of his reaction to being subbed, I can't find any clips but supposing he looked a bit pissed off, who cares?! It would make sense as he didn't have the game he probably wanted to have.

It feels like the media are targeting him, perhaps stemming from this perception that he doesn't want to engage with them like other players. Interestingly, the journalist who really planted this seed tonight and got those quotes out of Tuchel was The Guardian's Jacob Steinberg, who sounded like a little kid telling tales to the teacher. I wonder if The Guardian Football Weekly will call him out because if it was a reporter from another publication, you can be absolutely sure they would be hammering them for stirring up bullshit and piling on a black player for a complete nothing incident.

 

The coverage in the US is really bad

Fox, ESPN and the clown show on Paramount

Its just soundbites for social media

 

I think Tuchel is smart enough to know he needs the whole squad next summer.

It is so bloody hot in the US in the summer. Absolutely miserable watching matches in 35c+ Heat never mind playing in it.

It's not going to be about a first eleven in the group stages. All about using all 5 subs and rotating

 

Would actually like to see the full footage of Bellingham walking off the pitch when substituted because from my recollection he was walking past players having little hand out pats with players like Foden and clapped the away fans, didn’t look like anything out of the ordinary but didn’t see him go on the bench so maybe that’s where the issue was but even if there was, so what, most players don’t like being subbed.

 

Wharton 46 passes in 74 minutes, Anderson 54 passes in 19 minutes. I think Anderson has quickly become our most important player.

 

we played an entirely different system in both halves and came up up against an entirely different Albanian setup in both halves. case in point: Dan Burn had 66 touches in the first half and 48 in the second, for a total of 114 touches. also pretty hard to get on the ball when John Stones is in your way 70% of the time.

 

I wouldn't be too harsh on Wharton for struggling somewhat yesterday given almost everyone who started struggled. At the same time, I do find Anderson is a better player right now, and by quite some margin. Anderson is almost a complete central midfielder. He's the first midfielder we've produced in a while who seems to really stamp his authority on games on the ball.

Wharton still needs to prove he can conduct a game from midfield.

 

I disagree quite strongly.

I've posted on here before about how Wharton plays quite a specialised role for Palace and that it remains to be seen how he adapts in a sides with different tactical demands. I was disappointed with him yesterday as he played exactly like he does for Palace. Posters were complaining on here that he wasn't showing for the ball through the game. When Anderson came on it transformed the way the team plays because he's always showing for the ball which in turns creates space for others and allows the team to flow. It stands to reason that Dan Burn will have less touches in the second half when a midfielder that dominates the ball is introduced.

I also posted a while back about how the team's change in fortunes under Tuchel is mostly to do with Anderson and I still believe that to be true. I think he's our most important player and a profile we've been sorely missing for a long time. That's not to overly idealise him as there are plenty more bigger tests in the future for him but if he got injured for the World Cup I think it would be the biggest loss we could suffer.

 

Wharton normally plays directly alongside someone with a big engine, two attacking wing backs and two pseudo-wingers. There's very rarely anyone in midfield ahead of him. Here he had both Rice and Bellingham centrally and advanced. He needed to be able to adapt, but struggled with it.

 

I'd forgotten he was at the Chronicle. Their idea of the North East is a 10 mile circle around Newcastle, so are heavily partisan.

 

I know a lot of people are defending Bellingham on here because of his footballing ability but he is a bit of a whiny pr*ck and his attitude needs to improve.

Example: when he scored in the Euros against Slovenia (I think) he shouted "who else" to the cameras after England had struggled for much of that game. Although his opinion of himself is wrong because it's usually Kane who scores for England, not him.

The other night he didn't receive a pass from one of his team mates and apparently shouted "what the f*ck was that".

Then almost refusing to come off last night before he reluctantly did even though he was on a yellow card and the game was done anyway. No need to react like that.

His talent is there for all to see but his ego is a problem as it has been in the past for England back in the days of Lampard/Scholes/Gerrard etc and he needs to rein it in. He's not the only talented player playing for England, it's a squad game and rotation is going to be a thing in next summer's world cup so he needs to get used to it. Our best chance of winning is making use of the squad and playing as a team.

 

Oil? Why, because he's slick, often crude and really doesn't like to come off anything?

 

Social media is mostly blaming Tuchel for fanning the flames

 

Is he really that much of a whining p***k? the celebration after the goal at the Euros is nothing and I don't think it was intended to throw any shade on his team mates.

Berating a crap pass in the moment is also not a big deal.

And last night I genuinely haven't seen any evidence he sulked when coming off.