England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

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  1. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
  2. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I think there’s a decent chance he gets to 100. One thing Kane has never been really relevant on is pace, so that shouldn’t really hinder him in ways it does others. I don’t know but could he go on until 2030? Especially if we still don’t have a top replacement striker coming through to oust him.
     
  3. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I don't see how FIFA think this is a good idea. It's not even possible to give significant minutes to every player in a 26-man squad, a 30-man squad is just going to be filled out with dead weight. It'd create far more issues than it'd solve.
     
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  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I Couid see 28 as that was done at a tournament recently but surely not 30.
     
  5. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't really get why there needs to be limits in the first place. There is an optimal number and teams would find it.
     
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  6. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    If Kane stays fit until hes 35-36 he'll get double the number of goals of Rooney.
     
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  7. andals

    andals Member

    Jun 13, 2015
    chuckled at the footnote of "since 2008"!
     
  8. andals

    andals Member

    Jun 13, 2015
    anyone else warming to Tuchel's "i back those who deliver for me" approach?
     
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  9. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    I’m really warning to him tbh. He’s not afraid to drop the big names, he’s great handling the media and isn’t afraid to speak his voice.
    Seems to be having a positive effect on the team too.
     
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  10. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    No, not at all. It's probably an expression of the mentality that saw him fall out with people every where he's been, and totally unsuited to international management - especially when they'll have to be around each other for weeks on end, assuming he doesn't leave top players out for petty reasons which he probably will.
     
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  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Is he great at handling them? He has made every press conference this camp all about one player. When he could could have just lied and said he left him out for fitness reasons.They wouldn’t have asked about any other player quite so much.

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  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I do wonder how FA management are getting along with him. It’s been his bosses he has clashed with a lot at his club jobs.
     
  13. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    You can't read anything into the results, and his handling of players because we'd beat most of the teams we've played with any number of combinations. If he wants to progress to the later stages of the World Cup he'll need buy in from everyone. Being 'unafraid to drop big names' is easy when you've got a massive talent pool advantage and average teams to play.
     
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  14. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    I think the very nature of international football means his relationship with his bosses will naturally be different.

    At club level, you are quarrelling over signings, contract renewals for players etc, there is a lot more scope for falling out and managing up is much more difficult, particularly at demanding clubs like Chelsea, PSG or Bayern.
     
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    True but international fall outs still occur - Capello quit because of the dispute over Terry as captain.
    I wonder how the senior people at FA felt about his Wembley comments which to me felt like they were an attack on the FA playing most matches there.
     
  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Manchester City are plotting a £75m bid for Nottingham Forest midfielder Elliot Anderson next summer but are likely to face stiff competition from Chelsea for the 22-year-old England international. (Express, external)

    Tottenham are preparing a blockbuster move to bring Harry Kane back to north London from Bayern Munich next summer and are ready to meet the 32-year-old England captain's release clause and wage demands. (Teamtalk, external)

    Crystal Palace are relaxed about the future of Adam Wharton amid increasing speculation of interest from Premier League rivals Manchester United for the 21-year-old England midfielder. (Sky Sports, external)

    Crystal Palace midfielder Adam Wharton has moved above Brighton's Carlos Baleba on Manchester United's transfer wishlist - The i.

    Harry Kane has said that his penalty heartbreak against France at the last World Cup has changed him as a player and given him extra motivation to lead England to glory at the tournament next summer - The Guardian.
     
  17. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    I see this said a lot and I’m not sure I agree with it. How many times have we seen England rotate and/or be without our best players in say, a final group match and produce an uninspired display against a minnow, often drawing the game. Look at Hungary in the 2022 Nations League, where we rotated heavily and lost 4-0 at home. Even a game like Australia in 2023, we rotated a lot and whilst we won, it was much harder work than it should’ve been given the gulf in quality.

    I think the Serbia match is exactly the sort of game which we’d have made really heavy weather of without playing our best 11 in years gone by yet we absolutely blitzed it. I do think Tuchel has created a structure and culture where players on the fringes can come in and perform instantly and it shouldn’t be downplayed.
     
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  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Let’s hope that carries on for November - have we ever had five good matches on the trot? (Andorra wasn’t particularly good)
     
  19. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I like how he's implemented his system and tactics in such a short space of time. I've never seen us press as well as this before. Also forward passing. I'd love him to stay on after the world cup. I think we have a real chance of winning a home euros with him in charge
     
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  20. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I think regardless of the quality of opposition, we can clearly positive signs of progression in the team's play. No radical conclusions can be drawn yet and we still need to be further tested, but it's certainly not nothing. I think aspects of the progression appear quite large too.

    I do share the concerns about his selections and handling of players though. He had a habit of running players into the ground physically at Chelsea so maybe he doesn't value rotation as much as he should. I get the value of squad harmony but you can't ask players to press as ferociously as he does and not have depth at a summer international tournament.

    I don't actually think he's going to leave any of the big names (Jude, Palmer) out when it comes down to it though. Maybe I'm being optimistic but even being extremely sympathetic to the rationale in favour of doing that, it's likely to cause more problems than it'll solve. My biggest worry about his selections is neglecting our better ball players in midfield.
     
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  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I can see him only taking 23 or 24 players and saying even with the heat he doesn’t need more than that. And if he does that some big names will be left out
     
  22. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    You predicted Southgate would so this as well right?
     
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  23. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Why do you keep on bringing this up? Do you have any concrete statements to back this up with other than during a two game qualifying period opting not to call up options. The World Cup in the heat is a completely different ball park plus it’s probably over a month you’ll be away for. You would be crazy not to use at least some extra slots available and to add in the Henderson issues as not really being trusted to start if needed but is good around the camp so you would need an extra midfielder for starters.
     
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  24. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Wait until Tuchel does pick a 26 player squad and we get to this stage again -

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  25. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    I thought it was more the media trying to get an answer out of him. I could be wrong but I haven’t watched many interviews where he’s mentioned Bellingham first.
    Whether that’s right or wrong, he still hasn’t been afraid to drop him, unlike Southgate
     
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