England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

I think the fact that Amorim has been so bad has almost been to his advantage in terms of remaining in the job. When they sacked ten Hag, Solskjaer, et al, it was clear that the team had hit a ceiling and it was then on a downward trajectory. Under Amorim, the team hasn't even got off the ground; the line of progress during his tenure is basically a flat horizontal line - and so there remains a sense of hope about what a good team with him at the helm might look like. Maybe we'll find out at some point, but probably not.

I find it quite funny that when they went for Amorim, there was a belief that they had made a very pragmatic choice by opting for an obviously good coach, and in doing so had resisted the sentimental, media darling pick in Southgate. In hindsight, perhaps it was actually the other way around. Maybe, pragmatically speaking, Southgate was more aligned with what they actually needed at the time, and Amorim was a sentimental pick based on a need to look like they were very clever and forward-thinking. (This is of course assuming it had to be one of those two; in reality, I think a Howe or a Frank would've been more sensible.)

 

It's crazy to think we went from England players abroad being a novelty to having players at Real Madrid, Atletico, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, AC Milan, Juve etc.

 

Rashford has been pretty anonymous again

 

I think they more likely to try and get Tuchel out of his contract and go for Southgate,

 

Rashford brilliant assist

 

The two premier sports commentators are like listening to nails on a blackboard. They're babbling to each other like they're sitting in a pub

 

There is absolutely zero incentive for Tuchel

 

Don't talk utter shite

 

Why the eff would tuchel leave the England job to go to a poison challis like united

 

Red card for Tyler Morton on 75 minutes away at Rennes. Lyon were 1-0 up but conceded twice in 10 mins after Morton's red card. Shame for him because he was having another excellent game up until then. Learning curve for sure but three games out will likely crush any chance he had of working his way into the squad for the October camp.

 

Yeh I look back at the France game but mostly the Italy game with the most regret. Historically we've been on the wrong end of bad luck in a lot of tournaments whilst also not being good enough a lot too. Euro 2020 things just seemed to be going our way and you can have a great team but it only takes one thing to go against you and you are out. I feel like it was a massive missed opportunity.

Mount stayed on far too long like you said, Rice was looking good and we had the players to change the game. Unlike the Spain game where we were poor all tournament with no style, the Italy game we really should've won, yes they were on a great run but I truly believe with the right manager we had the firepower to overwhelm them

 

You think the prospect of winning a world cup isn't incentive? What incentive do you think the players have?

 

I really believe we'd have won the World Cup if we'd beaten France. I'm usually an extreme pessimist but I thought at the time that we matched up well with Argentina and that we'd beat them if we played them, and I still think it now.

Not to disrespect Morocco either but I highly doubt we'd have lost to them in the semis because we just didn't lose games like that under Southgate.

It was far from perfect but 2022 was our peak under Southgate imo. I don't think we were that good a team in 2021 and mostly played quite poorly, but the switch to four at the back and the development of Saka and Bellingham took us up a level the following year.

 

I read it as "no incentive for Tuchel to break his contract / join Manchester Utd".

 

Yeah that's what I meant. Tuchel is hardly going to give up the world cup for Man United who have little to compete for this season, and which if he so desperately wanted he'd have waited a few weeks last season when Ten Hag was circling the drain.

 

I agree despite losing that was our best performance under Southgate. We were the better team against France. He ruined our rhythm by replacing saka who had hernandez on toast and bringing on sterling just to keep him happy

 

Yep, of all the tournaments I think 2022 we looked at our best. Bizarre substitutions and a bit of luck either way and I think we could've made the final. Like you say I think Argentina is the type of team we'd match up well with

 

It's a very good take.

 

Manchester United are interested in Nottingham Forest’s £70m-rated midfielder Elliot Anderson, but the England international, 22, is happy at the City Ground and has no plans to leave. (Football Insider)

Crystal Palace may consider offers in the region of £60m for Adam Wharton in January, with Liverpool keen on the 21-year-old England midfielder. (Teamtalk)

 

Thankfully, we seem to have a ballsier, more tactically astute coach now. I don't know if Tuchel will necessarily be the difference between England winning a trophy or not - but the way he went with two at the back against Serbia, in order to create game-changing overloads down the flanks, was massively encouraging.

 

Wharton will be back for Palace's game against West Ham this weekend and Bellingham is back in Real Madrid's squad for their Champions League game against Marseille tomorrow.

Fingers crossed Wharton keeps fit and we can have a good look at him in the team next month. Didn't think Bellingham would be back so soon either.

 

Going to be a tough squad to pick with so much quality

 

I'd like to see Lewis hall brought in next month

 

He needs to start getting some game time for Newcastle first