England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    And that’s with a PL winner who are not great on English numbers and no English player in the CL final for the first time in 5 years. .

    I think it’s good news that Newcastle and Crystal Palace with their Heavy regular English contingent have both won trophies.
     
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  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Must be the first time in a long while both cups have been won by a team who wasn’t playing in Europe that season.
     
  3. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yeah I don't think Henderson is much more than a mid-table PL keeper. Fine squad player but I don't ever see him being England's number one unless things go quite wrong. He always looks like he's got a howler in him.
     
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  4. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Great on penalties though. His save percentage is 41% from 22 faced!
     
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  5. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Whatever people think of Henderson, the simple fact is he shouldn't have been on the pitch to put in that performance yesterday. I was wanting Palace to win, but City can point to a fundamental failing of the officials almost certainly costing them.
     
  6. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    When you consider how well this country does in relatable sports like rugby, athletics and gymnastics, it's pretty remarkable that we haven't been able to produce a world-class goalkeeper in such a long time. Maybe the disciplines that other countries excel in like water polo or handball are just more condusive to equipping their young keepers with the skills they need.
     
  7. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    That's pretty incredible and worthy of a place in the squad. I could imagine Tuchel being the sort of guy to sub a keeper in for a shootout too.

    Yeah, I don't really know how the officials came to the conclusion that it wasn't a red because the ball was going away from goal when Henderson was the one who directed it there. I'm glad Palace won but that was yet another poor decision.
     
  8. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Direction is important when you're 40 yards out, there's defenders chasing back, and the keeper is in position.
    If Henderson doesn't make that move, Haaland has an open goal. Even at the angle he would have had, he's hitting the target there.
     
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  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It’s probably just better training, I’m not sure those two sports help develop good goalkeepers. I imagine most footballers from countries where those two sports are popular have never played it, Serbia have won the last three Olympic golds in Men’s Water polo but are not known for great goalkeepers for example.
     
  10. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    It's an awful decision if there was a competent official on Var he would of been sent. What he did after that was good, but he'd have been sent off 9 times out of 10.
     
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  11. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah, I’m not really sure those sports are a known factor in developing top goalies in football plus we haven’t done badly in the past for top keepers so must be a training factor or something else. Having said that, I don’t think our keepers are that bad, just seems to be about decision making which can be off, more about mentality maybe?
     
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  12. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    If the PL has some of the top management teams in world football, then sense says they bring with them the best goalkeeping coaches available. So if it's all down to training like you say, where are all these elite English keepers coming through?
     
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  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Once players are elite level they not likely to progress that much. Those coaches would have to be working with teenagers and younger to really improve players.
     
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  14. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Goalkeeping is an extremely specialist persuit, absolutely none of the sports mentioned have any real cross over. We have some good goalkeepers but none are elite.

    A 2nd or 3rd choice goalkeeper is a cushy job in the PL, I think someone like Brandon Austin who is very solid, would of played a lot of first team football if he was developed in another country, pathways, opportunities and job security of 2nd choices are factors, but it's probably training techniques.
     
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Jarred Gillet is normally seen as competent - UEFA have given him a VAR role at the Women’s Euros. They might be regretting that after yesterday.
     
  16. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    I've seen him referee games, he's far from competent.
     
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  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Manchester United and England forward Marcus Rashford, 27, currently on loan at Aston Villa, is willing to lower his wage demands to secure a summer move to Barcelona. (Mundo Deportivo - in Spanish), external

    Barcelona want to take Rashford on loan from Manchester United in the first instance but with an option to buy. (Sport - in Spanish)

    Newcastle United are ready to spend £150m in the summer transfer window with a right winger, forward and goalkeeper high on manager Eddie Howe's wish-list. (Newcastle Chronicle)

    Crystal Palace captain Marc Guehi could run down his contract at the club in a bid to move to one of two foreign giants, according to a report. (Mail on Sunday)

    Chelsea goalkeeper Marcus Bettinelli has kicked off a row with neighbours after chopping down huge 40ft trees at his Surrey mansion. (Sun on Sunday)

    (This story shows the nice life a barley playing Pl goalkeeper has).
     
  18. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I don't think pickford is far from elite. He's been one of our best players the last few tournaments
     
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  19. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Which foreign Clubs are linked to Guehi?
     
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  20. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Real Madrid and Barcelona
     
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  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    hmmm, I’m not sure if that’s just paper talk or if there’s any truth to it…..
     
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  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Pickford, Branthwaite, McNeil and Garner start for Everton. Keane, Young, Iroegbunam, Calvert-Lewin and Harrison are on the bench.
    Ramsdale, Harwood-Bellis, Bree, Wood, Downes, Stephens and Dibling start for Southampton. McCarthy, Archer and Robinson are on the bench.

    Plenty or English players for the last Men’s match at Goodison Park.
     
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  23. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    He would get a few games at Barcelona. Aurajo is a very poor defender. Curbasi is the main man. Martinez is 33. Real Madrid though you've got rudiger huijsen asensio and the Brazilian defender to come back. Forgot his name
     
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  24. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
  25. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah that’s a fair point on Barca, was more thinking of Madrid and how tough it could be there.
     
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