England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The very first article back in 2022 in the Daily Star said there was a clash with Steve Holland as well as issues with him not fully bonding with some players. The FA kept quiet till March depsite the fact he booked his wedding for the during the June 2023 international break so obviously knew at that time he wasn’t going to be involved at all.
     
  2. Catenaccio88

    Catenaccio88 Member

    Cavalry FC
    England
    Sep 23, 2023
    Palmer, Saka & Foden are all competing for that RW position. Thats where they play for their clubs, unless Foden plays as 10 ( and you drop Bellingham)
     
  3. Wendigo7

    Wendigo7 Member+

    Bournemouth
    England
    Mar 31, 2015
    Poole
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    FWIW, White was a topic and I live in Poole, with friends who've come up with him at age grade.

    He's.... a strange lad basically. He's an intense loner most of the time and very much keeps himself to himself. The rumours are genuine, he doesn't like football, one little bit, but he's so bloody good at it, he'll do it. In age grade he would show up for his local sides game, right on the dot and as soon as the match was over, he was gone, no interest in the other members of the team or management.

    Now, that can come off as arrogant, ignoring team members because it is. But it also arguably can come off as a very very intense loner situation.

    He's different, let's put it that way. He might think, he sees club football as a job, and that the summer should be his downtime and alone time. That's not very common but it's possible.

    I wouldn't hold my breath basically. He's just a different type of character.
     
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  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Philips was very much his closest friend in camp and there was a telling moment in the World Cup arrival video where he was told his room will be next to his.
    However Arteta loves him and he doesn’t like fools and disrupters and the Arsenal Team seem to all get on with him particularly Ramsdale of the English players.
     
  5. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    I think David Batty was the same way.
     
  6. Wendigo7

    Wendigo7 Member+

    Bournemouth
    England
    Mar 31, 2015
    Poole
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Thought I’d mention.

    A few papers are suggesting the FA want to talk to Guardiola for real.

    An interim manager in the mean time.
     
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  7. Catenaccio88

    Catenaccio88 Member

    Cavalry FC
    England
    Sep 23, 2023
    Ben White could have some kind of personality disorder on the spectrum; a happy loner, socially introverted, unnaturally high focus on tasks (even if he's not passionate about it).

    Either way, if all the rumors are true then he's probably not an ideal person for international football. Similar to Roy Keane without the anger issues - who ironically got sent home during a world cup after falling out with the camp.
     
  8. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    People have speculated that he's on the spectrum but who knows. He's not worth borthering about regardless. Much more important that Reece James gets over his injury problems and matures emotionally a bit.

    I thought Roy Keane left the Irish camp because of how amateur the setup was? I seem to recall they didn't have any balls on the first day of training or something daft like that.
     
  9. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I'd like to see some youngsters like Livramento and Hall integrated into the seniors for the next round of fixtures. Wharton given a run in midfield
     
  10. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Even if Walker and Trippier call it a day, Livramento would be still down the pecking order behind Trent and James. Or White. So don't hold your breath.
     
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  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #61 Fireburn47, Jul 17, 2024
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    Real Madrid are keen on signing 25-year-old England right-back Trent Alexander-Arnold, who has one year left on his contract with Liverpool.(Talksport)

    Cole Palmer has attempted to persuade England team-mate and Aston Villastriker Ollie Watkins, 28, to join Chelsea this summer. (Football Insider)

    Erik ten Hag has broken his silence on mending his feud with Jadon Sancho - but refused to say if the winger has a future at Manchester United. (Daily Mirror)
     
  12. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Real would be an amazing move for Trent. Shame about the source.
     
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  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Depsite being close to completing a deal for Leny Yoro, Jarrad Branthwaite remains an option for Man United.
     
  14. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Feb 8, 2020
    I've never seen this Yoro play but €50m fixed fee plus €12m add-ons for a 18 y.o CB seems like pretty big gamble, considering CBs are usually later developers. Another year of consistent PL football at Everton would be good for Branthwaite.
     
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  15. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    #65 Marcho Gamgee, Jul 17, 2024
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    I think that if they couldn’t afford what Everton wanted in the first place for Branthwaite then I highly doubt they can afford him now after spending the money on this kid. I guess it could happen if they sell more players though.
     
  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Even higher than that possibly - could go up to €70 million.
     
  17. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    After the season Ten Hag just had I would worry about placing a young CB into one of his teams.

    Feels like they need numerous options bringing in to provide the relevant protection for their defence.
     
  18. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    It feels very unwise to be paying more than 30ish million for teenagers. I don't doubt he's a great prospect, but at the price they're paying for Yoro you might as well just get a 24/25-year-old who's primed and ready to start, will give you 6+ years of top service and is a much less risky investment. It's not like the CB market is barren, just go and get Marc Guehi. The wonderkid obsession is rife in football atm.
     
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  19. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Makes 18 million for Wharton even more ridiculous
     
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  20. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I think white is better than James and better defensively than Trent and gives us the inverted or overlapping as well as an u deranging with Saka

    I see palmer going to the 9. He’s like a quicker van Persie and has a tall frame he can add muscle to

    a front three with him Saka and Gordon would be tough
     
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  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #71 Fireburn47, Jul 17, 2024
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    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5638608/2024/07/17/england-southgate-players-future/
    What Gareth Southgate’s exit means for England’s Euro 2024 players – and others who might benefit

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    Not only is it the end of a tournament cycle following the conclusion of Euro 2024, but it is also the end of an era, with Gareth Southgate resigning as England manager.

    Both scenarios can make a player’s international future precarious so, combined, this is now a clean slate.

    So who did well enough in Germany to warrant inclusion in the new era to be overseen by Southgate’s successor? Who is on shaky ground? And who might be back in favour? The Athletic takes a look…


    Whose place is secure?
    Bukayo Saka
    England’s most consistent attacking threat during the tournament, despite clearly battling fitness and fatigue issues. Saka also showed his versatility by taking up several roles on either flank.

    His place in the lineup will not be guaranteed — Phil Foden or Cole Palmercould be better suited to the right-forward role if Southgate’s successor adopts a different style of play — but Saka will be a central figure in England’s future, whoever the new boss is.


    Jude Bellingham
    Euro 2024 should have been the tournament Bellingham confirmed his status as one of the best players in the world. Instead, he underwhelmed and cut a frustrated figure, forever demanding more from his team-mates and/or his manager.

    Like the team, he delivered moments — some of them spectacular — but did not take ownership of matches. Even so, his talent and potential are clear.


    Phil Foden
    The best player in the country in the 2023-24 season, Foden, like England, played well for 45 minutes against the Netherlands but did little else of note. He was substituted in all four knockout games when England were either drawing or losing, which is telling.

    Getting the best from him and Bellingham should be near the top of the new manager’s priority list.

    Cole Palmer
    How on earth will the new manager get Palmer, Foden, Bellingham and Saka in the same side? Well, hopefully, they won’t try to. Palmer came on to play as an attacking midfielder in a Euros semi-final and final and provided an assist and a goal.

    ‘Player in best role replicates what he does for his club’ shock! Massive impact, massive future.


    John Stones
    England’s best centre-back by a worryingly large distance. Stones came into the Euros on the back of one Premier League start in two months but, the Slovakia game aside, he set high standards. A guaranteed pick in the new era.

    Marc Guehi
    The Crystal Palace defender quietly and calmly made the second centre-back spot his own. He was imperious in the group stages, if a little less assured in the later rounds, but there is so much to work with here.

    If Southgate was staying, you would imagine he would become a permanent fixture in the side but, while there is emerging competition for Guehi, 24, to stave off, it’s his place to lose.


    Jordan Pickford
    Pickford was a symbol of the Southgate era in reliability, personality and being very good in major tournaments.

    He has his limitations with the ball at his feet, which a new manager may look hard at, but given his status and the lack of competition, it is hard to envisage anyone else in the No 1 jersey at the 2026 World Cup.

    Kobbie Mainoo
    Watching the way he glided with the ball and broke up play against the Netherlands was glorious. His impact on the final was minimal, but it was his 44th appearance in senior professional football, so let the kid learn, evolve and blossom. He is an incredible talent.

    Declan Rice
    Of the first-choice XI, he probably had the weakest tournament, lacking composure and rhythm in England’s midfield.

    But he will be at the World Cup and, if he or the new manager figure out his best role in the team, he can prove Rafael van der Vaart wrong.


    Who has a point to prove?
    Harry Kane
    Well, this is awkward. England’s captain and record goalscorer who set the Bundesliga alight last season… surely he’s a key figure? Well, not necessarily, and for a couple of reasons.

    First, strikers who aren’t quick are not exactly in fashion, so the new manager may prefer to field an alternative centre-forward or a false nine. Second, Kane will be 32 by the time the 2026 World Cup comes around and England’s previous four main strikers — Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen, Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker — had all retired from international football by that age.


    He had a poor tournament, shared Golden Boot notwithstanding, so there is a question to be asked.

    Trent Alexander-Arnold
    After 29 caps he remains in the ‘too good to be left out, but we don’t know how to get the best from him’ category.

    Was it a failure of Southgate’s not to find a way to showcase Alexander-Arnold’s talent on the international stage, or was the player to blame? We’ll find out soon.


    Aaron Ramsdale
    Would he have been ready if called upon? Would his team-mates have had confidence in him?

    Ramsdale is a great squad player and a big personality to have around the camp, but England should not have a non-playing goalkeeper at his club as their primary backup at a major tournament. He needs to be a No 1 to justify his place.


    Ezri Konsa
    The Aston Villa defender played really well against Switzerland and should be in England’s next squad no matter who is in charge.

    Joe Gomez
    His services weren’t required in Germany. As a utility man in a 26-man squad, he probably deserves a place — although that depends on whether he continues to play regularly for Liverpool.

    Ivan Toney
    He made two telling contributions against Slovakia and Switzerland but you would not say he’s guaranteed to be part of the setup. Then there is the reality that he ended the season goalless in 12 league games for Brentford, where his future is up in the air.

    Ollie Watkins
    The forward produced one of the best moments in modern English football history when driving home the winner in the semi-final.

    Like Toney, he has yet to demand inclusion in the England side, but if he continues to thrive with Villa he will get plenty more opportunities.


    Anthony Gordon
    Who? Oh yeah, that guy. For seven matches England were crying out for a pacy, creative player comfortable on the left flank to balance the attack, but an 89th-minute appearance against Slovenia was all Gordon got.

    If he keeps up his Newcastle form, he’ll surely get more of a chance.

    Eberechi Eze
    Useful and showed his versatility against Slovakia and Switzerland in particular but, like a few players in the squad, he needed a start to show his capabilities.

    His place in the squad feels vulnerable but, if he shines for Palace, he is in the reckoning.

    Jarrod Bowen
    Bowen made an instant impact as a substitute in the opening game when curling a cross for Kane to head against the bar but, after another late substitute’s role against Denmark, he wasn’t seen again.

    Like Eze, he will need to play consistently well in the Premier League to catch the eye of the new manager, as he is far from established at international level.


    Adam Wharton
    The Palace midfielder did not play a minute in Germany but feels like a very likely candidate to be on that plane to the United States.

    He is the kind of gifted, technically proficient midfielder England have been crying out for, but will still have plenty to prove in 2024-25, his first full Premier League campaign.

    Conor Gallagher
    The Chelsea midfielder began the tournament as Southgate’s first sub in the first two matches, then started against Slovenia and made little impact before being withdrawn at the interval. From the quarter-final onwards, he was only used as a stoppage-time substitute against the Netherlands.

    He became a symbol of the manager’s perceived pragmatism, which was unfair. He actually has plenty to offer whoever comes next.

    Who could move on?
    Luke Shaw
    Since breaking into the squad as an 18-year-old in 2014, when he won the PFA Young Player of the Year, he has played just 34 games for England — that’s an average of three and a half caps a year.

    It’s a sad truth that he cannot be relied upon to be fit. Expecting him to be first choice hampers England’s plans and, unless he plays regularly for Manchester United over the next couple of years, it may be time to move on.

    Kyle Walker
    The Manchester City veteran was talked out of international retirement by Southgate after the last two tournaments, but he’ll be 36 when the 2026 World Cup comes around.

    He was a mixture of good and bad in Germany, yet was still named in the team of the tournament for the second Euros running.


    Kieran Trippier
    Trippier is also entering the final phase of his career and will be 35 in 2026.

    Like Walker, he has been a great servant for his country and coped well defensively at left-back despite being out of position. But with plenty of younger right-back options playing in the Premier League — including his 21-year-old Newcastle team-mate Tino Livramento — it’s time for fresher legs.


    Lewis Dunk
    You can see why Southgate took him to Germany given Harry Maguire’s absence but, like Gomez and Wharton, he did not feature at all.

    He will be 34 in two years and there are ample options emerging at centre-back — Jarrad Branthwaite, Levi Colwill, Jarell Quansah — so it feels unlikely Dunk will get another call-up.

    Dean Henderson
    A stopgap third option. Sam Johnstone was injured, James Traffordendured a tough season at Burnley and Nick Pope had just returned for Newcastle. Henderson is likely to drop back down the pecking order now although, at 27, he has plenty of years left.

    Who else might get a look in?
    Ben White
    Yeah, you know, the Arsenal right-back who would have been in most people’s Premier League team of the season for 2023-24 but won the most recent of his four England caps in March 2022?

    Probably the player who stands to gain the most from Southgate’s departure, although with Walker, Trippier, Alexander-Arnold, Reece James, Livramento and even Rico Lewis, right-back remains England’s most stacked position.


    Harvey Elliott
    It was a bit of a surprise that he hasn’t been called up yet and there’s a good chance that changes under the new boss, although that also depends if Liverpool’s new manager takes a shine to Elliott.

    Jadon Sancho
    It’s been three years since Sancho was named in an England squad. As with White, Raheem Sterling and a few others, bridges were burned between him and Southgate, but a new era could well include Sancho if he reproduces his Dortmund form at Manchester United or wherever he plays his football this season.

    Ben Chilwell
    Southgate never seemed to take a shine to Chilwell, perhaps more for the way he carried himself off the field more than on it. The same can be said for Jack Grealish and James Maddison. A change in management should offer a clean slate for all three players.

    England aren’t blessed with many obvious options at left-back and that also could open the door for Palace’s Tyrick Mitchell, perhaps Rico Henry at Brentford, or maybe Leif Davis if he thrives in the Premier League with Ipswich Town.













    People in the comments suggest Kane wouldn’t suit Potter at all so Watkins might replace him. And a lot of people want Trafford starting even if he is the championship. And that Dunk might well be kept by Potter.
     
  22. horrisengleton

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    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    #72 horrisengleton, Jul 17, 2024
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    Again, the way they talk about Foden compared to others is just so grating. Apparently Saka's place "isn't secure", but getting the best out of Foden should be the top priority for the new manager and that he could take Saka's place. He's just afforded so much more leeway than everyone else is despite the fact he's done sweet f all in an England shirt, and that's not down to a lack of opportunities.

    Other players routinely deliver despite conditions being imperfect. Foden struggles to even play well, regardless of the opposition. I like Foden and I obviously want him to do well but it's so obscenely annoying how others are overlooked and disrespected despite doing so much more than him for England.
     
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  23. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021



    Hard to see either ever playing for the seniors again through,
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Adam Wharton is reportedly set to stay at Crystal Palace this summer despite increasing interest from across Europe. (The Sun)

    Cole Palmer is already back in the gym less than 48 hours after England's heartbreaking Euro 2024 final defeat. (Daily Mail)
     
  25. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain

    Be interesting to see how Palmer does under Maresca compared to Poch. "Don't run to where the ball is, maintain your position, stay in your position" could very much limit his creativity and freedom of expression. Same for any other attackers that might come through.

    I do think it's a bit of a shame we've got another one of these strict positional play managers at one of the PL's big clubs. That's three of the big six now. It's pretty boring stuff and a bit of a hindrance to player development imo.
     
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