England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    West Ham is a possible destination for Chelsea defender Ben Chilwell, 27, as the Englishman continues to struggle for playing time under Enzo Maresca. (Metro)

    Tottenham are determined to prevent 25-year-old Spanish right-back Pedro Porro from joining Manchester City, who see him as a replacement for England defender Kyle Walker, 34. (Football Insider)

    Everton striker Dominic Calvert-Lewin is set to remain at the club in the January transfer window despite interest from a number of clubs in the 27-year-old Englishman. (Mirror)

    Liverpool are planning a move for Celta Vigo's Spanish defender Oscar Mingueza, 25, to replace Englishman Trent Alexander-Arnold, 26. (Fichajes - in Spanish)

    Enzo Maresca has told Reece James he needs to become a better leader with the Chelsea manager admitting he expected more from the England defender on his return from long-term injury. (Daily Mail)
     
  3. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I wouldn't say Scholes never produced. He had some Amazing moments In an England shirt. Far more than foden
     
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  4. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    Ramsdale's play with his feet is right on that line between exquisite and accident waiting to happen.

    You could see Dibling at City one day, doing the Grealish job from the left.
     
  5. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I think a lot of that speaks to the problem with the environment players play in at City compared to what's demanded in international football. In a strict positional play like City's, rotations and patterns of play are so heavily rehearsed that Foden knows where his teammates are going to be in a lot of situations, so certain decisions in certain scenarios are almost made for him. When he's outside of that environment he finds it more difficult to be intuitive, which is normal, and it's certainly not something that's exclusive to Foden.

    I don't think his decision-making is bad in general fwiw, he's obviously a very good player, it's just short of what we should expect from a world-class player.
     
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  6. Khadrim

    Khadrim Member

    Jul 30, 2011
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    I don't agree with this idea that Foden is lacking in confidence for England. He is always demanding the ball. He keeps trying flicks and dribbles into traffic. The problem seems to be he is playing a different game to everyone else.
     
  7. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I think Foden has all the technical qualities to be a #10 but I'm not convinced he has the game between his ears to do it, especially when it's an unfamiliar system and he has to rely on that natural understanding of the game to get by.
     
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  8. Port Vale Fan

    Port Vale Fan Member

    May 30, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Agreed.
     
  9. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I don’t think playing Bellingham on this right hand side suits him at all. Not seen much of Madrid this season but if he’s being played out of position, little wonder he seems to be struggling.
     
  10. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    I think Mbappe just highlights how incredibly special and unique Messi and Ronaldo were. He’s in his mid 20s, yet is already being upstaged and potentially usurped by another, younger player in Yamal. And certainly by Vinicius in his own team. He had the world at his feet only two years ago and probably thought football would be a domain run by him for the next decade. Some people still don’t appreciate how rare it was for two players to be uncontested for the best player in the world for over a decade with no challengers ever threatening them.
     
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  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #3611 Fireburn47, Oct 26, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2024
    A unsual era.. Coincidentally tied with a similar level of dominance in Tennis.

    I wonder wonder if the UK is one of the few countries where Ronaldo is maybe more popular than Messi. In my real life all I used to hear is Messi is overated and how he never performed for Argentina
     
  12. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I feel like Mbappé is a good example of the potential damages of the Messi/Ronaldo legacy. Everything about the sport has become increasingly more individualistic since their era and Mbappé, possibly to his own detriment, embodies that.

    Age 17-19 he had the world at his feet, but he's become progressively more entitled and progressively more individualistic in pursuit of a Balloon d'Or and individual honours, and he's arguably becoming less of an asset to the teams he plays for as a result.

    He's a great player but he'd be so much more valuable to his team if he became a little bit more team oriented, both with and without the ball.
     
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  13. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Watching Motd and Philips starting to get up to speed and delap looks like he could be Kanes Heir apparent .By the way Ipswich's goalkeeper is shite
     
  14. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Also after watching that El classico, it wouldn’t surprise me if Spain are going to dominate World football for years to come. The talent they have seems relentless. I fear we missed our chance to win something under Southgate. Hope I’m wrong though…
     
  15. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Not sure on that. La Liga looks to be in serious decline, in the coefficients they’ve gone from 2nd to 3rd to 4th in consecutive years. So far this season they’re 5th among the big nations. In the 5 year coefficients they’re now behind Serie A in 3rd. Real and Barca are still a threat but the other Spanish teams regularly get beaten now. When you’re watching La Liga it’s no longer a top two league. A stark contrast to their international golden era. They’ve got some fantastic players of course but remember they had two naturalised Frenchmen in their Euros winning team. They will dominate in the women’s game but the men’s game is very different proposition and dominating it in the modern era is very difficult.
     
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  16. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
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    Almost all of his legacy was built in an amazing national team and a weak domestic league. I think he was just never quite at the level people believed him to be.
     
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  17. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    You’re right about their league but they seem to have a ton of talented kids coming through or already playing first team football, I mean Barca seem a pretty good example plus if their league is in decline, it probably provides more opportunities for their young players unlike our league where our numbers are still likely to decline due to the power and finances of the league.
     
  18. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Can someone with clout please turn the clocks back to half-tine in England's 2018 World Cup semi-final against Croatia, or the Euro 2020 Italy final, and somehow coerce Gareth Southgate into making the vital early substitutions that stop our opponents seizing control.
     
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  19. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    You're justified in your fear. I think it's quite clear they've nowhere near peaked (on paper) yet, unless they suffer a load of injuries they're going to get much stronger. They weren't even full strength when they won the Euros with Pedri effectively missing the QF, SF & Final. Then Gavi missed the tournament too.

    However, I'm pretty confident that we haven't peaked on paper yet either. I think the quality in our youth teams right now is immense so there's a really good chance we're going to get stronger too, especially when you consider how many clear gaps we've got to fill (GK, LB, DM).

    Even if we don't, Spain aren't going to just sweep 4 or 5 of the next 6 tournaments, it never works that way. It's knockout football, all it takes is a dodgy officiating decision or a penalty shootout and they're gone. The best team on paper wins the tournament in WC and Euros history about 40-50% of the time.

    I bet after the 2018 World Cup with all the hype around France, few people would have predicted that they'd go on to fail to win any of the next three tournaments and wouldn't make either of the next two Euros finals.
     
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  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #3620 Fireburn47, Oct 27, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2024
    West Ham could make a move for 27-year-old English left-back Ben Chilwell from Chelsea in January. (Inside Track podcast, via Team talk)

    Crystal Palace are reluctant to re-open talks with Newcastle United about England defender Marc Guehi, 24, in the January window. (Football Insider)

    Gareth Southgate has been cleared over a controversial tax scheme - paving the way for a knighthood in the New Year Honours List. (The Sun)

    Fans have called for Brighton striker Danny Welbeck to be called into England's next squad after he continued his stunning form against Wolves. (The Mail on Sunday)

    Jude Bellingham was singled out for criticism by the Spanish press following Real Madrid's humiliating 4-0 defeat at home to Barcelona. (Mail on Sunday)

    Trent Alexander-Arnold has said he wants to be remembered as the "greatest right-back to have played football" as he set his sights on winning the Ballon d'Or. (The Observer)
     
  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Who was on the bench in 2018 who could likely have done that? 2021 maybe but not sure about 2018.
     
  22. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I think you require the services of Dr Emmett Brown here. :)
     
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  23. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    We had a younger Squad than Spain at the Euros and we beat Spain in the U17 WC and in the U21 Euros.
     
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  24. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    The U17 World Cup was quite some time ago now though. I don’t doubt the talent we have coming through, we clearly have some top talent but I think in somewhere like Spain, there’s a much clearer pathway for their development, whilst quite a few of ours end up stalling at the top end of the league due to a lack of opportunities. Obviously some do get through but not as many as they should.
     
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  25. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Might be refering to the last u17 Euros in the summer, where England won 3-1.
     
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