England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Tomori. Maybe Loftus-Cheek when he was playing well. Marcus Edwards was doing well at sporting. I guess I'm not cutting Southgate enough slack. He did call up the likes of sancho Bellingham etc

 

The problem with Tuchel’s style is the big performances won’t come really until the World Cup itself. He is not known for entertaining football.

I suspect the Daily Mail couod be full of anti FA stories over the next two years about all sorts of issues.

 

Oh that will be sung even louder now by some idiots. Particularly if a fuss is made about it etc.

 

Tomori is the only one of that list that deserves serious consideration for a squad place in my opinion, and I personally prefer our other CB options. RLC and Edwards aren't anywhere near selection in my view and haven't been for about 2-3 years

 

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I think you can argue Gomes was good value for one too. Regardless though I do agree with your point that very few overseas players have a case to claim they were ignored, but I also think it's true that Southgate (naively) didn't value work outside of the Premier League as much as work inside it. He made a few comments amidst the Balogun saga himself suggesting so, and Kalvin Phillips said that Southgate advised him to join West Ham over Juventus because the Premier League was a higher level than Serie A.

It's not an issue if you're an elite prospect like Bellingham or Sancho, but it can lead to some players whose potential value is less obvious being ignored in a way it wouldn't if they were in the PL.

 

Paris Saint-Germain remain interested in signing 26-year-old England forward Marcus Rashford from Manchester United after their summer approach was knocked back. (Team talk)

Arsenal winger Bukayo Saka, 23, hopes to be fit for the Premier League game at Bournemouth on Saturday after withdrawing from England duty with a hamstring injury. (Athletic - subscription), external

 

I think Gomes should have been picked at some point last season by Southgate (not before then) apart from that oversight, I don't think you can accuse players outside of the PL be overlooked. It gets repeated by a certain type online as fact, when it really isn't

 

With admittedly very mixed feelings about defending a Telegraph writer, did you read the piece from three days ago? This bit in particular:

"There are many more questions as to the effectiveness of Guardiola’s approach at international level, and all the other issues that come with it. But his appointment would certainly remove the pressure from the FA hierarchy. A name so big it would drown out all concerns about suitability and also those of us who feel the England manager should be English in order to preserve what makes international football different."

 

Oh dear that's gonna be awkward if we plat germany

 

He's got the third best win ratio in the champions league only behind pep and van gaal. That's in 50 plus matches

 

The FA should arrange a friendly with Germany before the World Cup to get that out of the way before any tournament meeting.

 

you pulled out an old post that showed that I knew what I was talking about with regards to Spain and Germany being better than England and Portugal going into the Euros despite being rated lower than them by odds makers and experts hence "overrated". I also said that and that Portugal and England were still ver good just a notch below and that's exactly what happened.

anyhow Tuchel plus some of the players coming through/maturing could give England a real shot at winning a tournament between 2026-2030. I always felt this generation had a Euros in them at the least but did not think 2022 or 2024 was their time.

 

yep well said.. the irony of the Germany England rivalry is that they are two sides of the same coin when it comes to football philosophy. Klopp spoke of this when he was praised for heavy metal football at Liverpool saying he was just doing what English teams did in the late 70s early 80s.

I've always felt a Germany's trophy cabinet versus Englands was because of mentality and not talent. The thing German football lacks is the neurosis and self destruct psychology that often surrounds the english national team through psychology sociology or what ever it is. This new generation of Palmer Jude etc already lack that old way they don't care. I always felt more than tactics what Southgate brought was this old baggage of failing in the moment at the finish line and it's almost this kind of national exceptionalism of being the best loser ala footballs coming home etc that needs to be washed away. With Tuchel and this new generation of talents that mostly is disconnected from that baggage we could see a France 98 moment where England win and then are just in the mix for the following 20 plus years. A cultural shift is needed. It took Ferguson to modernize United and Wenger to modernize Arsenal and Klopp Liverpool and Pep City. I think those attached to an English manager secretly fear England winning which they are closer to today than they were yesterday. There are a lot of people especially in the media that prefer losing because that way the story never ends.

 

A post was pulled out showing you aren't an England fan but merely here to educate us.

Off to the ignore list you go.

 

Northern Europeans are not a different species of human.

 

In football terms they are. Northern Europeans play differently and produce a different kind of footballer to Southern Europeans and they always have done. The climate of a country massively impacts a country's football culture and the kind of player it produces.

 

What football does France play? Parts are Northern Europe but parts are Southern.

 

I suppose what Im trying to say is that Northern Europeans can play any style of football they are coached to play.

I once had a erm 'lively' discussion with a South American who genuinely believed that 'they' possessed some kind of DNA advantage for kicking a bloody football!
And I thought the Nazis were the last section of society that believed they were somehow genetically superior.

Now the truth is there us a LOT of talent in this England squad, there is a LOT coming through too, the problem is and has been the managers, let's be honest Southgate is an awful coach (lovely guy) who, before taking over England, relegated Middlesboro. He had his strengths but picking the right team and coaching their play wasn't one of them.

 

They produce a wide variety of players and it's no coincidence that the likes of Zidane, Cantona, Cherki etc all come from the south.

 

I'm sorry but this north/south thing is nonsense.

 

‘How will England play under Tuchel?
Thomas Tuchel has played with a back four for most of his managerial career; his most recent charges, Bayern Munich, primarily lined up in a 4-2-3-1 formation under him.

This could benefit the players who have come into the England squad under Lee Carsley after Euro 2024, with the Three Lions lining up in a 4-2-3-1 to start both Nations League wins over Finland. Angel Gomes, introduced to the England squad by Carsley having been key to his under-21 side, could continue to be called upon by Tuchel.

However he has shown a willingness to use other systems where the players suit it - his Chelsea side notably lined up with a back three for many matches - while Tuchel is also known for his tactical flexibility.

This could suit players like Trent Alexander-Arnold, who has been deployed in several different roles during his England career across full back and midfield.

If England do line up in a back three, it could lengthen the international career of 34-year-old Kyle Walker, who often played at right centre back in this formation.

The left side would be a bigger question, with Levi Colwill a contender in a central or full back role. The position of Bukayo Saka - who played at wing back in some Euros games despite it being far from his favourite role - will also be one to watch.’

 

It's not. Ask Arsene Wenger. He used to talk about how there are certain coaching sessions you simply can't put on in England often enough for them to be impactful on a player because of how prohibitive the weather is.

You're much less likely to turn out like Andres Iniesta in style of you're constantly playing on heavy rain and gale force winds than if you're playing in a calm, dry environment.

 

Rubbish! How many stereotypes have you put in this post? Now you tell us that its always 'rain and gale force winds'? Perhaps you can clarify exactly how 'prohibitive' English weather is for football?

George Best, Glenn Hoddle, Paul Gascoigne, Matt Le Tissier were all born in the North are they all 'long ball' merchants?



You're not Columbian by any chance are you?

 

If "Le Tissier" and ""Hoddle" are the best you can come up with, you're proving my point. All good players with fine technique, but can't stand up to their Southern European counterparts.

You also don't handpick a few anomalies to try and counter a wider trend, that's not how evidence works. You look at the style of the average player in the country and compare from there.

Even looking at the average style of player in each national team, how many Kalvin Phillips, Jordan Henderson, Harry Maguire, Declan Rice, Connor Gallagher types do you see getting caps for Spain or Italy? Virtually none.