England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Jack Grealish speaking to ITV
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    think we showed a reaction today, I think we could have had a few more especially towards the end as the game opened up. It was difficult at times in the first half but we went into half-time with a 1-0 lead and I think we dominated from then on in. We were disappointed to concede but we needed a win so happy about that.

    โ€œThe assist was top [from Angel Gomes]. It all comes from the manager letting us play with that freedom. I play with Angel every day in training and I know he is a top player. It was a brilliant assist.

    โ€œThe celebration was for my little daughter, who makes me so happy. That one was for her.

    โ€œI said to Trent as a joke that I would give him ยฃ500 if he scored the free-kick and then he slapped it into the top corner. I owe him.

    โ€œI do not think it has been difficult [since the Greece game]. No matter who gets the job there will be always be negative talk. In my honest opinion I do not really get the criticism. Lee [Carsley] is a top, top manager and I love playing for him.โ€

     
  2. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Declan rice is deluded.
     
  3. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I thought gomes was our best player. His through ball was world class for Grealish's goal
     
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  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Finland vs England player ratings: Alexander-Arnold and Gomes impress but Bellingham goes off the boil
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ngland-player-ratings-gomes-bests-bellingham/

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    Lee Carsleyโ€™s fourth outing as interim manager produced a welcome win โ€“ Telegraph Sport assesses how each of his players performed.

    England returned to winning ways as Jack Grealish, Trent Alexander-Arnold and Declan Rice ensured a 3-1 victory in Finland, who scored a late consolation goal through Arttu Hoskonen.

    Telegraph Sport analyses and rates each playerโ€™s performance on a shambolic night for the hosts.

    England (4-2-3-1)

    Dean Henderson
    Surprise start after Jordan Pickfordโ€™s poor display against Greece, he dealt with straightforward shots and was not to know Kallman was offside when he saved well. Bizarrely was not taking goal kicks. 6/10

    Kyle Walker
    First minutes under Carsley and had good battles on his flank but would have liked to have attacked more and linked up with Palmer better. 5/10

    John Stones
    Important early block saved England, he had a good tussle with Jensen, who looked to take him on when one-on-one. Carried the ball forward into the midfield. 6/10

    Marc Guehi
    Never out of position and he made important blocks, tackles and interceptions when Finland tried to slide their forwards in down the side between him and Alexander-Arnold. 7/10

    Trent Alexander-Arnold
    Beautiful free-kick for his goal. New option for England in problem left-back position, where he had not played for Liverpool this season. 7/10

    Angel Gomes
    Lovely assist when he slipped ball behind Finlandโ€™s defence for opener. Guilty of losing possession early which led to Keskinen chance โ€“ but mistakes accepted with his style. 7/10

    Declan Rice
    Took goal well. He started deep alongside Angel but clearly had instruction to move forwards and join attacks, which ended up with him scoring from close range. 7/10

    Cole Palmer
    Quiet first half so started drifting inside after the break into central position but it was congested, with little room. Got a shot away that was saved well. 5/10

    Jude Bellingham
    Played in the No 10 role before going forward and playing up front at times. Got in good positions without the final pass or shot coming off. 5/10

    Jack Grealish
    Cool finish when he went through to open the scoring, he kept the ball well and drew the odd foul. Four goals for England now and half of them have come under Carsley. 7/10

    Harry Kane
    Passed fit to start after missing the Greece defeat but the England captain struggled for chances - he did not have sight of goal - although he dropped deep to get involved in the play. 5/10


    Subs: Madueke 69 (Palmer), Watkins 69 (Kane), Foden 80 (Bellingham), Lewis 80 (Gomes), Rice 85 (Gallagher)
    Not used: Colwill, Gordon, Livramento, Pickford (g), Pope (g), Solanke

    Finland (4-3-3): Hradecky (c) 6; Alho 6 (Antman 82), Hoskonen 7, Ivanov 5, Uronen 6; Kamara 6, Schรผller 4 (Walta 63), Peltola 6; F. Jensen 7 (Lod 75), Kallman 6 (Pohjanpalo 63) ; Keskinen 7 (Pukki 75) Not used: Galvez, Joronen (g), Nissila, Pikkarainen, Sinisalo (g), Stahl, Tenho,

    Referee: Giorgi Kruashvili (Georgia).

    Attendance: 32,411



     
  5. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Who ever becomes manager I think we need a set system and then pick the best players that suit the team we are playing against.
     
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  6. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Times player ratings.
    โ€˜England (4-2-3-1) D Henderson 6 โ€” K Walker 6, J Stones 6, M Guรฉhi 9, T Alexander-Arnold 8 โ€” D Rice 7 (C Gallagher 85), A Gomes 7 (R Lewis 80, 6) โ€” C Palmer 6 (N Madueke 68, 6), J Bellingham 5 (P Foden 80), J Grealish 8 โ€“ H Kane 6 (O Watkins 69, 6).โ€™

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  7. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Heโ€™s trying to fit certain players into the team. Instead of picking the best team. Pretty much the opposite of what he did with the U21โ€™s.

    Still in the circumstances any win would have done.
     
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  8. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    BBC Player ratings

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    1. Grealish - 7.83
    2. Watkins - 6.85
    3, Rice - 6.59
    4. Guehi - 6.14
    5. Alexander - Arnold - 6.10
    6. Henderson - 6.06
    7, Gomes - 6.02
    8. Stones - 5.96
    9. Bellingham - 5.90
    10. Madueke - 5.60
    11. Walker - 5.47
    12. Palmer - 5.09
    13. Gallagher - 4.92
    14. Foden - 4.92
    15. Lewis - 4.65
    16. Kane - 4.36

    1. Hoskonen - 5.35
    2. Keskinen - 5.24
    3. Pukki - 5.23
    4. Kallman - 5.16
    5. Hradecky - 5.14
    6. Kamara - 5.03
    7. Alho - 5.03
    8. Peltola - 5.00
    9. Jensen - 5.00
    10. Antman - 4.96
    11. Uronen - 4.94
    12. Ivanov - 4.90
    13. Walta - 4.88
    14. Schuller - 4.85
    15. Pohjanpalo - 4.82
    16. Lod - 4.76

     
  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

    Question was instead of who? Eze or Bowen? Gordon being left out would have been pretty bold of Southgate.
     
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  10. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
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  11. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    This EXACTLY, instead of trying to shoehorn Palmer out of position he should have picked Manueke in the first place, Palmer, Bellingham and Grealish were all playing a no. 10 roll even though only one of them was in the no. 10 position......the result tippy-tappy, tippy-tappy, three players all looking to pass the ball through the eye of a needle in order to play in non-existent players. If Carsley fancied Bellingham then play Bellingham and drop Palmer, or visa-versa, or of course play Foden, you can always rotate them or swap them during the game, Trent shouldn't be left back, if necessary play bloody Chilwell, or the best English player we have in that position. If we started with Gordon, Madueke and Watkins I think we would have won by more.
     
  12. MrBoombastic

    MrBoombastic Member

    England
    Nov 10, 2020
    Overall, not a great performance again really but we won.

    Positives: Gomes again looked good ln midfield, great pass for the first goal. Watkins very good when he came on and made a big impact. Grealish scored again. Guehi looked very solid at the back.

    Negatives: Defence again shaky, bringing Walker back in looked an odd move, Trent at left back, Kane anonymous until he went off.

    Kane for me is an elephant in the room. Really poor tonight, whether he was not fully fit I don't know but then why start him. Carsley picked 3 strikers but like Southgate when in charge seemed too scared to try someone else other than Kane to start up front.
     
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  13. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    #3263 Gaz811, Oct 13, 2024
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    Kane scored 2 goals a couple of games ago and looked on it. Just came back from an injury. People really need to stop writing Kane off its weird. We got smashed to pieces the last game he didn't play. I would say,he shouldn't start games when he's not fully fit.
     
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  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  15. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Gomes>Mainoo
     
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  16. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Presumably you mean Mainoo, thanks for the input nevertheless.
     
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  17. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Also Kane drops into the 10 role and Angel Gomes is really 10 for Lillie not a 6 though he's the best option available for the 6 role since Rice Jude can't play out the back.

    So really that's 5 players that all want to play one role and serve one purpose tactically speaking.
    But hey 3-1 is 3-1. That's a good performance in my book.
     
  18. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    To be fair to Mainoo hes only 19 and clearly has a bad back..........from carrying Man Utd.;)
     
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  19. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    I don't see a problem with Gomes playing deeper. He's done it for Lille and our under-21s plenty of times, and I've never had the impression that he lacked positional discipline or was getting in the way of other players. If anything, I'd have said that it was a better position for him given that he doesn't score or assist in huge numbers. It's certainly where our need is greater.
     
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  20. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    he mainly plays as a 10 for Lille but es it seems like he can do the role at least against this level of opposition/press. can he play as a regista against a top side? we will see but no more pointing out that there are 5 players that naturally want to play in that creative 10 role feeding others in the lineup today piggybacking on another poster mentioning 3.

    he did great in the role today though could be the missing link.
    United could probably use him in place of Erikson/Casemiro in that 6 spot.
     
  21. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Well I'm not going to pretend that I've watched every match he's played for Lille, but sites that track player positions have him down as playing DM/CM at least as often as AM both this season and last - here's FBRef's match logs for last season, for instance. All of us have seen him play in a double-pivot for our youth teams, as he did throughout the last under-21 Euros. He never looked like he was straining at the leash to get forward.

    As for whether he can do it for England against top opposition, sure, that remains to be seen until he plays against top opposition. The early signs are good though, and that's all we have for now.
     
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  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     
  23. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
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  24. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Now I've sobered up. The performance wasn't bad but there is still too much slow build up. I thought it was a poor game overall
     
  25. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
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    England gaffer Lee Carsley admitted he had his eyes set on playing Dean Henderson over Jordan Pickford for this international break. (Daily Star)

    A rumour touting Jordan Henderson for a move to Rangers looks to have been given a quick-fire answer by Ajax boss Francesco Farioli. The Italian boss appears to have closed the door a mid-season exit for Henderson with speculation growing about his future. (Daily Record)
     

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