England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. MrBoombastic

    MrBoombastic Member

    England
    Nov 10, 2020
    I think if it’s based on CM options I totally agree, there aren’t a lot of options, but he was Gibbs White’s replacement. I know some on here suggested Carsley was picking Gibbs White as an 8 but he plays as a 10 for Forest, always played as a 10 for the U21s and now we have Gomes, Mainoo, Rice and Gallagher for those positions. If he was going to call up another CM it should have been Wharton IMO, at least he’s playing every week although admittedly he hasn’t hit the heights of the backend of last season.

    But I think Gibbs White could have been replaced by an attacking midfielder. Fair enough if they want to keep Rogers in the U21s but Maddison has started the season well so not sure why he ignored him. Eze was another obvious option.

    Even Livramento coming in is a bit odd as he’s replacing a CB, although admittedly our only option there is probably Dunk or a wild selection like Harwood Bellis so I kind of get that decision.
     
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  2. MrBoombastic

    MrBoombastic Member

    England
    Nov 10, 2020
    It’s silly picking 3 strikers in the squad and then not playing either of the 2 backups to Kane when he isn’t fit.

    I never like the idea of playing midfielders up front, Bellingham is a generational talent but he’s not a striker and never will be. He belongs as an 8 or a 10. Even some saying play Palmer as a false 9 I found weird, it won’t get the best out of said player and it’s shoehorning players into the team which Southgate tried to do without success.

    We have 2 top PL strikers as Kane’s understudies, we should actually use them.

    Although I’ll probably be eating my words later when Bellingham scores a hat trick!
     
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  3. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    100%. Watkins and Solanke are not Championship standard strikers, it's genuinely insane to play midfielders up top when you have strikers of that quality.

    On one hand I'd admire Carsley for such a bold lineup but moving our best player (needlessly) out of position would be quite annoying. Let's see what he does.
     
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  4. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    #2804 AJ123, Oct 10, 2024
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    English born Greek international George Baldock has died age 31. Looks like he may have been intoxicated and drowned in his pool, a tragic way to go. Some people are calling for the game to be called off tonight but the Greek FA have requested a minutes silence and black armbands.
     
  5. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    People who probably have their club's interests at heart rather than the tragedy itself
     
  6. Khadrim

    Khadrim Member

    Jul 30, 2011
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    It's favourites if they are picked when alternatives can do the job. Or are you saying we can't criticise selections like Mount as LW when Grealish/Rashford fit the team better.
     
  7. Khadrim

    Khadrim Member

    Jul 30, 2011
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    JWP played in the Phillips role against Italy in Nations league in June and did an OK job. Phillips at the time was injured going into the world cup. Longstaff was touted as a Rice backup as Phillips was also supposed to be the Rice backup. Neither of those suggestions were unreasonable.
     
  8. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Manchester United have made Chelsea left-back Ben Chilwell, 27, a top target for January. (Teamtalk, external)

    Arsenal, Tottenham and Newcastle United are all interested in Aston Villa's 23-year-old England youth midfielder Jacob Ramsey. (Give Me Sport), external

    Newcastle might sell England striker Callum Wilson, 32, in January to facilitate a move for a new forward. (Football Insider), external

    England interim manager Lee Carsley has experimented with playing Jude Bellingham as a striker in training this week as he considers unleashing a wealth of attacking talent on Greece on Thursday. (Daily Mail)
     
  9. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Nope I'm not saying that, feel free criticise who you want.
     
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  10. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Longstaff as a Rice backup is a ridiculous suggestion imo. Rice was playing as a lone 6 at the time and Longstaff has virtually none of the necessary qualities needed to play in that role. He's a poor passer of the ball, he's not particularly good defensively and there not a chance I'd want him as the first receiver of the ball from the defence. He's a box crasher with an engine and decent ball striking, that's about all he is.

    Same with JWP, he's simply not a 6, let alone a lone six. Admittedly Phillips was still living off previous England performances at the time but the idea JWP could be relied upon to anchor a midfield with how limited his game is is complete madness to me. He's physically poor and doesn't have anywhere near enough composure or press resistance to play deep for England at a major tournament. He's been capped for England 11 times and his performance level has only ever fluctuated from average to poor. There's a reason no big 6 side ever came in for him, and the biggest club he played for binned him off after a season.
     
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  11. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Saying managers have favourites is always a lazy criticism. You can always criticise selection of course but there's always going to be players a manager prefers beyond simple form. There isn't a manager in the world who just selects on pure form.
     
  12. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    There's pretty much a national expectation that form should be the only criterion for international selection so that alone means you can never win as England manager. No sane manager is going to chop and change a squad that much, it'd be nothing but detrimental to the team.
     
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  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Ward - Prowse was twice an injury away going to a major tournament. Had Maddison pulled out after his knee injury suffered in the last match before the World Cup he would probably have been his replacement.
     
  14. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Maybe I'm wrong, but I took it that Curtis Jones was being brought in to replace Kobbie Mainoo. We've got a number of players like Conor Gallagher, after all, who can cover the Gibbs-White position and, as Barry says, we're not exactly overwhelmed with defensive midfield options.
     
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  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     
  16. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    That proves my point though, he was never considered a replacement for Rice or Phillips, which most people wanted him to be.
     
  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    True but had Rice or Phillips pulled out he probably would have replaced them as well as I am not sure who else would have been in the frame.
     
  18. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    If you end up there by default it doesn't mean you're considered suitable.
     
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  19. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Lets be honest, the idea of selecting on pure form is just the opinion of fans and journalists that don't really know what they're talking about. In the limited time that international managers have with players there has to be some continuity for team building. Selecting on pure form would just lead to lots of churn and be a net negative.
     
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  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Carsley himself said last he will select on form during the season. https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...m-england-team-news-greece-2024-b1186922.html
    ‘Southgate was accused, perhaps unfairly, of picking players on reputation but Carsley has suggested that between tournaments he will prioritise form, perhaps giving Palmer an edge against Greece and Sunday's game against Finland in Helskini.

    "You get diluted as a head coach or manager if you’re picking players who are out of form or aren’t playing well based on what they’ve done in the past," Carsley said. "When you go into a tournament that’s maybe a little bit different because you have to get a blend of players that can cohabit with each other for potentially five to six weeks."’
     
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  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  22. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Honestly, he has teammates who will be affected by this or even players he was friends with. I would have thought postponing the game would have been sensible and think most fans could understand the situation.
     
  23. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Scheduling. International matches are not easy to rearrange and the only alternative would have been three matches in November which UEFa or FA would not want themselves due to several issues.(Logistical but also risking a row with the PFA over international workload.)
     
  24. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah, I’m aware of the reasons but sometimes, just sometimes something happens where football takes a back seat!
     
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  25. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

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