England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Dec 12, 2022.

  1. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Plus Italian tax rules mean they are best placed to get close to his obscene wages. Personally I think the contract that United gave him is a big part of the problem. It’s also interesting that United were able to sign him unopposed. Pep had issues with him and so did Dortmund, although they tolerated his tardiness. Southgate didn’t really fancy him either and there were rumours that his performances in England training were not up to scratch.
     
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  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Ward - Prowse and Bowen start for West Ham. Earthy, Ings, Mubama, Johnson and Scarles are on the bench.
    Mee, Lewis - Potter and Toney start for Brentford. (Baptiste) is on the bench.

    Wilson, Thomas, Kitching, Bidwell and Simms start for Coventry. Blinks, O’Hare, Godden, Lusala and Bell are on the bench,
    Brown, Fowler, Sole, Corne and Bone start for Maidstone. Ezennolim, Earle, Court, Smith, Gurung and Iandolo are on the bench,
     
  3. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

    Two goals for Bowen within the first 8 mins,
     
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  4. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Bowen playing CF and has aready scored 2
     
  5. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Nice play from Brentford to get 1 back.
     
  6. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Lewis Potter and Tony having good games.
     
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  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Hatrick for Bowen.
     
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  8. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I really don't think Bowen is good enough to be an international player. Some players just can't step up. What I've seen of him at international level he looks lost at times
     
  9. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Sancho will be in the mls or Saudi next year

    his head is not right
     
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  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The Talksport commentators are saying at this very moment that Bowen is a shoe in for the Euros on this form.
     
  11. Khadrim

    Khadrim Member

    Jul 30, 2011
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Who is the backup to Saka? Foden? Rashford?
     
  12. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Who are you going to drop to accommodate him, Fireburn? Saka or Foden?
     
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  13. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Talksports says that about every English player who has a good game, so they can complain when they don't get in the squad.
     
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  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Rashford and Grealish are not in as good form as Bowen.
     
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  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #12940 Fireburn47, Feb 26, 2024
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  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    PL- Week 26
    PL English Players of the Match - Week 26
    Ollie Watkins - Aston Villa v Nottingham Forest
    Phil Foden - Bournemouth v Manchester City
    Bukayo Saka - Arsenal v Newcastle
    Jarrod Bowen - West Ham v Brentford

    Pl English players of their Club - Week 25
    Ollie Watkins - Aston Villa
    Morgan Gibbs - White - Nottingham Forest
    Jarrad Branthwaite - Everton
    James Trafford - Burnley
    Harry Maguire - Manchester United
    Phil Foden - Manchester City
    Bukayo Saka - Arsenal
    Jarrod Bowen - West Ham


    BBC Sport English players of the Match - Week 25
    Ollie Watkins - Aston Villa v Nottingham Forest
    Lewis Dunk - Brighton v Everton
    Adam Wharton - Crystal Palace v Burnley
    Phil Foden - Bournemouth v Manchester City
    Bukayo Saka - Arsenal v Newcastle

    BBC Sport English players of their Club - Week 25
    Ollie Watkins - Aston Villa
    Lewis Dunk - Brighton
    Jarrad Branthwaite - Everton
    Adam Wharton - Crystal Palace
    Kobbie Mainoo and Harry Maguire - Manchester United
    Dominic Solanke - Bournemouth
    Phil Foden - Manchester City
    Bukayo Saka - Arsenal
    Joe Willock - Newcastle
    James McAtee - Sheffield United
    Keane Lewis - Potter - Brentford

    Second and third places

    Pl - Lewis Dunk, Jordan Pickford, James Tarkowski, John Stones, Declan Rice, Joe Willock, Jayden Bogle
    BBC - Morgan Gibbs - White, Danny Welbeck, Charlie Taylor, John Stones , Declan Rice, Dan Burn, Rhian Brewster

    This week’s PL goal involvements.

    Goals
    Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa)
    Morgan Gibbs - White (Nottingham Forest)
    Lewis Dunk (Brighton)
    Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton)
    Harry Maguire (Manchester United)
    Phil Foden (Manchester City)
    Bukayo Saka (Arsenal)
    Joe Willock (Newcastle)
    Jarrod Bowen x 3 (West Ham)

    Assists
    Jacob Ramsey (Aston Villa)
    Declan Rice (Arsenal)
    Dan Burn (Newcastle)
    Keane Lewis - Potter (Brentford)


    League Cup Final
    Chelsea
    2. Gallagher - 5.13
    3. Palmer - 5.05
    5. Colwill - 4.73
    7. Chilwell - 4.61
    10. Sterling - 4.30
    13 Madueke - 3.68
    15. Chalobah - 3.45

    Unused - Bettinelli, Gilchrist, Gee

    Liverpool
    4. Elliott - 7.35
    6. Quansah - 7.33
    8. Danns - 7.07
    10. McConnell- 7.02
    14.Gomez - 6.80
    15. Clark - 6.76

    Unused - Nyoni.
     
  17. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Rashford and Grealish are both left-sided options, not sure I've ever even seen Bowen play on the left. If Bowen goes it's probably gonna be instead of either Saka or Foden which we know won't happen.

    You could shoehorn Bowen in by taking him instead of Maddison and taking Foden as a midfielder but given Southgate only wants to use Foden in the front three it'd be a waste of a space because Bowen would see no game time.
     
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  18. MrBoombastic

    MrBoombastic Member

    England
    Nov 10, 2020
    Bowen is an interesting one. He's certainly making a strong case to be included in the final squad. Is he a better footballer than Rashford or Grealish? No. Has he had a far better season than them? Yes. England haven't got very far in the past just picking players on reputation or who they play for. Rashford looks to me like he needs a summer off, his head seems all over the place, and he doesn't look interested. Southgate might actually be doing him a favour not picking him. Grealish is a fantastic footballer but coming off the back off a mediocre season, he's a 50/50 for me at the moment. I guess it depends if Southgate decides to take both Palmer and Maddison as that would leave fewer spaces.

    I think at this moment Bowen deserves to go but he's unfortunate that there is a lot of competition in that part of the pitch.
     
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  19. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    As a winger wide/forward I'd agree but I'd expect him to be used as a centre forward more going forward and could be an interesting option there. It's always seemed to me that he's very good at scoring goals but his all round game is lacking. Centre forward could be the right position for him.
     
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  20. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    The sudden calls for Bowen to be picked feel like another kneejerk reaction from the very same people who want James Ward-Prowse selected every time he scores from the penalty spot.

    Where were those calls when, prior to the Brentford game, West Ham were on a winless streak stretching back to December (a period in which Bowen scored just once)? Or when they were getting stuffed 6-0 by Arsenal at home in the previous game? Or when Bowen was floundering once more in an England shirt in an insipid performance against Australia?
     
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  21. manutd 01

    manutd 01 Red Card

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 24, 2024
    Neither Bowen or Ward Prowse are good enough for the England squad but that won't stop Southgate from picking them.
     
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  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I’m sure he could play as good on the left as Rashford on current form and actually look happier doing so. Rashford is unpopular at the moment and like Phillips can he cope with the potential of being booed and being a figure for discontent with the squad selection. (Rashford is also a major target of press criticism as well). Maguire and Grealish seem to be able to cope with criticism better. Southgate has to take how the unpopularplayers react to criticism into account.
     
  23. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021



    Chelsea hope to sell defender Trevoh Chalobah, 24, and Albania forward Armando Broja, with the futures of England midfielder Conor Gallagher, 24, and Spain left-back Marc Cucurella, 25, also in doubt as they look to make major changes this summer. (Telegraph - subscription required)

    England goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale, 25, is keen to leave Arsenal in the summer after losing his place to Spain goalkeeper David Raya, 28. (Football Insider)

    Tottenham are leading the chase for in-demand Hull City sensation Jaden Philogene, 22, although Aston Villa have a buyback clause for the England Under-21s winger. (Teamtalk)

    England youth international Omari Forson,19, could leave Manchester United this summer, with the attacking midfielder out of contract at Old Trafford. (Athletic - subscription required)
     
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  24. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    He absolutely couldn't, Rashford hasn't been bad at all this season, he's been turned into a massive scapegoat. Prior to Hojlund's injury he had some very impressive performances.

    Angles matter for players and trying to shoehorn players into unnatural positions just so you can take all the players who you think are in the best form regardless of overall quality is not a rational way to pick a squad.

    It's the same thing every week. The calls for JWP to be in the England squad have died down massively but he's exactly the same player he was at the start of the season and his all round game hasn't got worse or better. Same with Longstaff who people were so adamant was being robbed of a place.

    It's the social media era and a player's quality can only be analysed through goals and assists.
     
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  25. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The Athletic have an article about the English XL’s for every PL team and the Aston Villa reporter has said Southgate was booed at Villa partly because Villa fans think he is biased again Watkins and Konsa.
     

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