England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

I’m sure this debate was had months ago and probably a few months before that, has something changed? His distribution is worse than the other 3 regularly picked keepers, and he dropped a couple of clangers the last time he started. I guess people can clutch at straws for other reasons, but seems pretty obvious the reasoning to me.

 

Nick Pope was asked about it in Newcastle’s pre PSG press conference.

Anyway if Ramsdale doesn’t get more playing time at Arsenal or by moving Pope could well be back in going by how Southgate said Ramsdale’s lack of playing time could affect his Euro chances.

Arsenal v Brentford is the weekend before the next squad is announced. At this rate if Ramsdale doesn’t move that could be his first PL apperence since last weekend.

 

So nothings really changed in the last couple of months, apart from a few quotes, What’s your opinion, who would you pick Ramsdale who might be lacking game time, or an inferior distributor who’s worse with his feet in Pope?

 

It’s a tough one but as whoever is chosen is third choice behind Pickford and Johnstone not the biggest issue.

 

PL English Players of the Match - Week 13
Anthony Gordon - Newcastle v Chelsea
Marcus Tavernier- Sheffield United v Bournemouth
Bukayo Saka - Brentford v Arsenal
Ollie Watkins - Spurs v Aston Villa

Pl English players of their Club - Week 13
Jay Rodriguez - Burnley
Anthony Gordon - Newcastle
Raheem Sterling - Chelsea
Morgan Gibbs - White - Nottingham Forest
Marcus Tavernier - Bournemouth
Wes Foderingham - Sheffield United
Bukayo Saka - Arsenal
Ben Mee - Brentford
Jarrad Branthwaite - Everton
(Michael Olisie - Crystal Palace)

BBC Sport English players of the Match - Week 13
Trent Alexander - Arnold - Manchester City v Liverpool
Kobbie Mainoo - Everton v Manchester United

BBC Sport English players of their Club - Week 13
Trent Alexander - Arnold - Liverpool
Eberechi Eze - Crystal Palace
Raheem Sterling - Chelsea
Morgan Gibbs - White - Nottingham Forest
Cameron Archer - Sheffield United
Jarrad Branthwaite - Everton
Kobbie Mainoo - Manchester United

Second and third places

Pl- Trent Alexander - Arnold, Charlie Taylor, James Trafford, Carlton Morris, Marc Guehi, Joel Ward, Jamall Lascelles, Cole Palmer, Callum Hudson - Odoi, Jordan Pickford, James Tarkowski, Marcus Rashford

BBC - Jay Rodriguez, Divin Mubuma, Elijah Adebayo, (Michael Olise), Cole Palmer, Marcus Tavernier, Ben Mee, Declan Rice, Ollie Watkins, James Tarkowski, Jordan Pickford, Harry Maguire

 

Of course it’s not a big issue, surprised you don’t have an opinion given you post a lot on the subject. I’d pick Ramsdale over Pope.

 

Is probably go for Pope if Ramsdale is not playing just because I’m not a great fan of players limited playing time getting selected. But I would also consider dropping Johnstone and taking both of them.

 

Every time Pope has put on an England shirt I'm afraid he's looked like a rabbit in headlights, so I'm with Southgate here.

In saying that, it's ridiculous that we have a a handful of matches until the tournament and we don't know who the no2 is, one of them isn't playing and the other hasn't been given a chance.. if Pickford gets injured we are in a big mess.

 

I don't think Ramsdale's situation is going to matter to Southgate. I know he hinted that it would, but I think that was just him trying to influence whether a move happens. Ramsdale will go, and if Pickford gets injured at the tournament then Ramsdale will come in without much fuss.

The more interesting question is what happens if Pickford gets injured before the tournament, because Pope is a poor like-for-like replacement for Pickford given how poor he is with his feet, but if you only have Pope, Ramsdale and Johnstone to choose from then maybe that equation changes. Maybe you then alter the way the team plays to suit your best shot-stopper, and bring Pope in.

 

Johnstone is no.2 now according to recent articles. He got the higher number in both recent matches and played against Australia. If Pickford was injured as it stands he would appear to be front runner to start at the Euros.

I think Ramsdale’s situation will be linked somewhat with Phillips and maybe Maguire and Henderson. He can probably take him without much criticism if Phillips and Maguire are playing regularly but if Phillips is still stuck on the bench and Maguire has dropped back there (Shouldn’t do on his recent form but Man United are being linked to possibly buying a first choice starter in January.) (Or someone else not playing much gets selected.) a third non player plus the continued issues arround Henderson’s playing level would bring more criticism (Even with the fact the footballing press are generally sympathetic to Ramsdale’s situation.)

 

Seriously mate, can you not offer up info from a more reliable source or, better still, just give us your own opinions? This would be one tedious fan's forum if we all simply posted the wild and crazy speculations from other fan's forums.

 

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Not sure the second one will go down as assist. Big deflection.

 

Disgusting decision by the ref. He was having a good game till he folded every time he was surrounded by the froggies

 

On the BBC website only the first one in the 54th minute is showing as an assist

 

Arsenal are willing to let England goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale leave at the end of the season but will not let the 25-year-old go in the January transfer window. (90min)

France defender Raphael Varane, 30, and England midfielder Mason Mount, 24, are among the Manchester United players at risk of being replaced. (Guardian, via Express)

 

On the Pope debate I can perhaps see why he isnt picked as he is pretty poor with his feet and wasnt good in his last England game.

At pure shot stopping he is probably the best out of all of them.

Of all the decisions Southgate has made that isnt one that annoys me too much as i can at least understand it.

I thought Tino Livramento had another great game tonight against PSG. Big involvement for our goal and had an awful call against him for the handball. Yet another top quality English right back. I guess when Walker and Trippier get too old he will come into the full squad.

Although he has been playing well at left back for us and with that versatlity and the current shortage of left back options available it may earn him a call up sooner?

Miley was impressive given his age, cant be too many 17 year olds in world football playing at that level and holding their own.

 

Pope is like De Gea in some ways. Good shot stoppers but struggles in many systems that expose their flaws more. Pope suits Howe’s system and is therefore doing well at the moment.

 

He's only like De Gea in that he's poor with his feet, actually worse than De Gea in that regard. De Gea was the definition of a line keeper and afraid to leave his line whereas Pope is always one of the top sweepers in the league. I think Newcastle should look to replace Pope at the end of the season though, it's an obvious position to upgrade for them if they want to step up levels.

 

Nick Pope easily the best player #PSGNEW according to ⁦@lequipe⁩. #NUFC gk gets an 8, praise indeed from the illustrious French sports daily’s famously tough ratings. Will confirm Newcastle confusion over why Pope not in #ENG squad. His much-scrutinised distribution is OK. pic.twitter.com/ASpMk2Iot4

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Social Media is full of complaints about how Southgate is totally wrong to completely leave out Pope and that Pope must start at the Euros