Elon Musk needs his own thread because he's in every damn thing/positive Elon Musk

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  1. Naughtius Maximus

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    Well, I personally would NEVER disagree with random people on Reddit who assure me, (and who can argue with THAT), that he's the bestest and most brilliant person in the world, despite coming out with the most ridiculous ideas that anyone has ever thought of.
     
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  2. superdave

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    There’s no way the information could move quickly enough. This is Trump level “can we nuke hurricanes” level of anti science.
     
  3. superdave

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    Because a robocar is worth more to me if I can use it to take me to work and back, and also have it work for me the other 22 hours of the day.
     
  4. Naughtius Maximus

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    I don't think you're thinking it through dave. People don't ONLY want their car to go to and from places, (work or whatever). They also want them any time they fancy to go to the shops, to pick up an unexpected friend from the airport or any other activity.

    I dare say there will be people who think they can do what you suggest but I think that will pall quickly when they have to take a bus for some important trip and have to sit next to a screaming baby for 20 minutes when their car is on the other side of town.
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    Right but that is Spejic's point. If the car can do that, why will anyone sell it to you at current prices? How will you get fares? That idea this will work just like Air BnB is speculation IMO
     
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  6. The Jitty Slitter

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    IMO it's just a promise of vapourware to justify the stockprice.
     
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  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    Like that time Steve Jobs invented the iPhone
     
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  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    There is comedy gold in that Reddit

     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Remember that time Musk mapped the twitter stack and this was supposed evidence he is a great engineer lol?
     
  10. Paul Berry

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    Jobs came up with the idea of the i-Pod and got it done. Then he came up with the idea of the I-Phone and got it done.

    Tesla and electric cars existed before Musk. Putting satellites in space existed before Musk.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    Right but just to pick on this one - this is the mythology vs the reality of the 'visionary tech leader'

    Jobs did not invent the mp3 player - there were a vast array of these devices
    Jobs did not invent downloading music either - see napster

    Sony was greatly favoured to corner the space because they had so much music under license, and they manufactured devices. Job's real ability was a vision for the platform of iTunes combined with the aesthetic of iPod - and executing the business deals on that.

    You see this quite clearly with Pixar. No one claims Pixar was a success because Jobs was a great designer

    He was a great CEO and business leader
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is also why it's stupid to claim Musk is an expert in rocket engines, starship design, EVs, batteries, tech stacks, self driving cars, AI etc

    It's a nonsense
     
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  14. Paul Berry

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    Musk is a conman who invented the Cybertruck and electric cars driving slowly through a tunnel.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    His main skill was raising money for the tech
     
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  16. Paul Berry

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    Conning people out money for the tech, which thanks to the people around him worked for a while.
     
  17. lanman

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    This guy summed Musk up a couple of years ago.

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  18. superdave

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    Right…I’m just saying that was the hook. I mean, would you rather own a robotaxi that works for you 24-7, or a car that provides you transportation when you need it AND make money for you, say, 22-7. Losing 10 hours or whatever a week in revenue is a lot less than the value of not having to buy a car.

    But yeah, that scenario only works with a pretty precise ratio of personal part time robotaxis to people needing robotaxis.

    It’s a plan that works as a theory but in reality, at best it would oscillate between a good deal for riders/bad deal for owners, and the reverse.
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    You'd suspect if this happened at any kind of scale there'd be far fewer cars on the road because utilisation of cars would be wildly higher.

    Whereas the Musk spin is more like the sharing economy Air BnB idea but i suspect that would not hold at any kind of scale, because surely most people would want their car to be out making them money.
     
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  21. Paul Berry

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    So if everyone drives to work then whores out their cars s
    Just because people have made money out of investing in Tesla doesn't mean it's not a con. Early investors have made money out of pyramid and Ponzi schemes.

    Hyperloop!
     
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  22. MattR

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    He is really good at putting real engineers in charge, and when the finance people say "it's too expensive to do that" he goes out and gets more money to do it right.

    See: the opposite of Boeing.
     
  23. Paul Berry

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    In the last 5 years. They had a pretty good century before that.

    But this is the way US companies are going. It's all about cutting short-term costs at the expense of long-term investment, then selling off what's left.
     
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  24. The Devil's Architect

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    The Romney Effect
     
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  25. Yoshou

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    They existed before Tesla, but Musk made electric cars sexy. Before Musk, EVs were 90 mile range with trickle chargers and were the ultimate in niche. I have no doubt that EVs would have eventually been pushed into the forefront, but Tesla built the existing market and the reason it made that market is because of Musk. I'm all for taking dumps on Musk for being a homophobic racist pile of shit, but the guy is an excellent salesman and he put energy behind EVs that simply didn't exist before he took the stage for the first time.

    While this is also true, see the previously mentioned comment about Musk making EVs sexy. ;) Also, prior to SpaceX, rockets were extremely expensive and the entire rocket was disposable. SpaceX was the first company to successfully launch and land the first and second stage of a rocket. This allowed the most expensive parts of a rocket to be re-used and massively drove down the cost of launching satellites into space.

    So, yeah, Musk may not be the lead engineer on these projects, but he's the guy that got it done, so let's not denigrate him outside of being a POS.
     
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