Ellinger on U17 Roster

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by GersMan, Feb 28, 2003.

  1. sch2383

    sch2383 New Member

    Feb 14, 2003
    Northern Virginia
    On Adu "he is only going to get better and better."

    5 days.
     
  2. moorland

    moorland Member

    Oct 11, 1999
    Aliso Viejo CA
    The nice thing about Ellinger's remarks was how many times he mentioned versatile when describing a player. Looks like we are taking a chapter out of Ajax handbook. I would be thrilled if this team if this team played "total soccer" in the World Championships.
     
  3. cldiscodan

    cldiscodan New Member

    Feb 12, 2002
    Mental Note: Must beat Guatemala before making it to U-17 WC
     
  4. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Well done, GersMan. I do some stuff for TopDrawerSoccer.com so I'm obviously partial, but I gotta say, you ain't gonna find infor like that on this team anywhere else. Period.
     
  5. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Any chance you'll come up with a new name to post on there Sandon? To those of us who've figured it out, I mean c'mon. :)
     
  6. Pagefan

    Pagefan Member

    Aug 28, 2001
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, it would appear atleast Ellinger is attempting to develop skilled backs, what with two converted forwards in the starting line-up(Spector and Chevannes). U.S. coaches should really point to Spector as an example of someone getting noticed playing defense, what with his being signed by ManU. Doesn't get any bigger than that at 17. Now, maybe if Knox Cameron would get the hint....
     
  7. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Except he seems to play really well sometimes. Not saying he'll ever be a first choice forward, just that he might eventually get to 2nd or 3rd on the forward depth chart. With the players we've got coming up through the ranks, there is no shame in that.

    I do agree though otherwise that the whole Spector thing could create a whole generation of defenders who have actual skill instead of just being purely destroyers.....and that's a definite good thing.
     
  8. davide

    davide Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Excellent article Gers.

    The increased numbers in residency have seemingly improved the competition for every spot on the field. For instance, Grazier had to raise his game to keep his starting spot. Without the new players entering residency, pehaps he doesn't get pushed and make the a huge improvement in his game.

    Anyway, It's good to see that so many of the "new" players like Jamie Watson, Adrian Chevannes, Danny Szetela, Julian Valentin, Chris Germani, and Steve Curfman were able to make the final roster over other players that were in residency a semester longer. Well done.
     
  9. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Absolutely. The fed deserves credit for always keeping an open mind to tweak things.
     
  10. Dan Roudebush

    Dan Roudebush New Member

    Mar 31, 1999
    I noticed comments on Westberg the keeper training in France.

    Adjusting from pro environment to Bradenton. Implies ??

    But the part I liked the "best keeper he's seen with his feet."

    About time we had a Higuita. A keeper that can maintain possession on the back pass is something we've really been missing.

    Too many back passess just blasted up the field.
     
  11. Dr Jay

    Dr Jay BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 7, 1999
    Newton, MA USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wanderer, does this mean you are going to "out" Sandon if he doesn't start using his real name ? Many of us lurkers here have been hypothesizing who Mr. Mibut really is - Bruce Arena's mom ?
     
  12. Go2NY

    Go2NY New Member

    Feb 19, 2000
    Croton-on-Hudson NY
    nice work - no, - terrific work

    fabulous post - have never met mr ellinger - but there's an ever so slight appearance he's met with mr arena often, and it seems they both like dutch soccer
     
  13. GersMan

    GersMan Member

    May 11, 2000
    Indianapolis
    Ok, I'm officially confused. What are you guys talking about?
     
  14. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Actually, I haven't even been trying to figure out who Sandon really is. I was referring to his screen name--Sand on my but--. Of course Digital Tron uses his bigsoccer name over there on topdrawersoccer I think.
     
  15. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Well, I think this is probably the first side we have that has defenders who are able to contribute to the attack a whole lot.

    The '99 edition with Donovan in the hole had a lot of total football elements, except perhaps the defenders getting forward a lot. From what it sounds like, this crop of defender has better skills than the previous ones.
     
  16. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
  17. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    I just re-read this piece...and, well, I just edited it for effect.

    Adrian Chevannes

    Obviously size-wise he is excellent, and he couples that with excellent size and speed. On top of that he is very technical.

    Chris Germani

    He is our starting left back. He has good speed, not great size,

    Kyle Helton

    He has excellent speed ...Technically he’s really improved

    Brandon Owens

    he has really worked on his skills on the ball.

    Jonathon Spector

    He gives us even more speed in the back...He is very technical,

    Julian Valentin

    He has good speed, he’s good in the air, and is very technical and comfortable with the ball.

    Corey Ashe

    his pace will kill you.

    Steven Curfman

    He has good pace, and is good with both feet

    Guillermo Gonzalez

    He is good with both feet,

    Michael Harrington

    He has great pace,

    Daniel Szetela

    ...has a good quick burst of speed


    OK, I will concede that maybe this is a bit unfair. Yet only a few times did Ellinger mention things like tactical decision making, and team oriented skills such as positioning, runs, and game knowledge.

    It's as though this is a collection of individuals with physical and technical attributes,and not a group.
     
  18. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I, also, reread the piece and edited it for effect:

    Quentin Westberg

    He is very technical and very proficient with his feet.

    Adrian Chevannes

    On top of that he is very technical. He reads the game well and the cover he provides for his teammates is excellent.

    Chris Germani

    He reads the game very well and is an excellent tactician as far as defending. On the flip side he knows when to get forward and is very smart in those decisions.

    Jonathon Spector

    He is very technical, he makes good runs forward


    Eddie Gaven

    He wins the ball, makes good runs,

    Daniel Szetela

    He’s very good at combining with players,

    Freddy Adu

    ....

    Jamie Watson

    His decision-making is excellent when he gets the bal – he shoots when he should and he passes when he should.

     
  19. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    Duly noted.

    I suppose these comments are for public consumption and, therefore, have the quality of cliche about them. Not suprising, I suppose.
     
  20. the Next Level

    Mar 18, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    Karl you were right

    Those comments are not really primarily for public consumption.

    You were right on Karl. Our youth game has evolved in this country over the years.

    In the 80s you were a great player if you were big, strong and fast... other skills seemed out of the realm of American youth players.

    In the 90s you were a great player if you were big, strong, fast, and skilled enough to play the 1-2 touch game... other skills were deemed outside the realm of American youth players.

    Today we have reached the level in some areas, not so in others. Physically, we are looking for the right players, now. Technically, we are training the right things and well. We are also excellent in terms of selecting and developing the right personalities. We are only behind tactically, but we are where we should be, for now.

    There are a few American youth coaches who are developing effective methods to train a more sophisticated approach to the game. We will see it in the top players of the next generation.

    NL
     
  21. GersMan

    GersMan Member

    May 11, 2000
    Indianapolis
  22. PScott8502

    PScott8502 Member

    Oct 12, 2002
    50th state
    Ellinger's Comments

    To me this says, Quavas is a great athlete, but sucks at soccer.

    Did I read this wrong?
     
  23. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Re: Ellinger's Comments

    That's my reading, too.

    Of course, he doesn't really suck at soccer, rather he's just not as technical as some of the other kids there. But the early buzz has Quavas as the best prospect of all the U17 forwards. He's the athlete of the bunch, and athleticism counts, not just to blind :) U.S. coaches but to everybody else, too.
     
  24. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Re: Re: Ellinger's Comments

    Wouldn't he be an ideal candidate to move to defender????

    Would you rather have Hasselbaink or Raul? Me, I'll take Raul...
     

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