Eliminatorias: vs Colombia, mié. 10 sep (R) (News, etc...)

La forma de tener buenos jugadores es si jugamos con linea de 3 es jugar con

Jara (chico) Ponce/Fuentes y Vidal.
2/3 son buenos en el aire. A proposito, Vidal es mucho mas alto que Medel y mas encima salta mucho mas.

 

Its sad to see that Bielsa has such little faith in Medel in the middle, that he insists that Vidal has to be in the midfield.

anyways i have a lot of faith that we will win.

 

Not only that, but he's putting Estrada as the DM. I mean, ok, finally he;s playing where he usually plays, but dude, we have better players for that position... his passing abilities are better than Medel's or Carmona's (not Vidal's, though) but who's going to bite, push, and bug in the middle? Estrada doesn't have those qualities and when he plays for la U it's usually Martinez who brings balance to the middle...

I don't know what to think. It's a bold move, much like anything Bielsa does.

Miren la columna vertebral: Jara, Estrada, Fernandez... no tenemos mejores jugadores en esos puestos, digo yo?

No podre ver el partido, asi que tratare de no hacerme muchas expectativas para no andar como gil antes de salir del trabajo.

 

Dont think Estrada is bad, I think hes one of the better DMs.

 

Estrada is a good all-rounded mid: not a defensive mid, not an (attacking) center mid, not a winger, by any stretch of the imagiation. He does not have the "bite" to be a "6", or the creativity to be a "10": he has a left foot, and that's pretty much it. I can't believe people on this forum would question Maldonado, "he doesn't do anything spectacularly well". What does Estrada do extremely well? At the same time, he doesn't do anything particularly bad, but he's not a CB. If you're gonna play the guy, slot as a 2nd DM, from the center to the left. End of story.



I will even forgive his "Malerton" past.

 

right, but there's a dude named Maldonado who is 100x better. So too are Vidal and Medel, even though they are apparently needed more urgently in other positions. Isla is a monster in the middle as well.


Whatever. The point is that its undeniable that Vidal is a better defender than Medel (only because he's better in the air). And he might be a better midfielder too, but the difference there is minimal compared to the difference between them as defenders.

 

Hey, I was one of the posters who most supported Maldonado. Id wish Bielsa would call Tello and Maldonado, both defend relatively well.

 

Great first half, way to respond to the demoralizing defeat against Brazil. 2-0 Chile with goals from Jara and Suazo. Suazo's was a little luck/skill but I'll take luck any time we can get it. C H I!!!! Lets keep the lead and come away with a huge 3 points.

 

someone pinch me...it's been a while since the last time I see Chile scoring this many goals against decent oposition.

 

Beautifull....haven't seen Chile play like this since France 98....

 

The set-up for Mati's goal was pure class. Great, great showing!

 

There is absolutely nothing to say about this game.

EVERYONE played well, the balls went the right way, the BETTER team won, y se goleo.


Grande MATI, pero muy GRANDE

 

congrats guys... too bad you can't win your next game.

 

We shall see my friend...Chile plays much better away from home because host countries are forced to attack. That's when Bielsa's sistem is more effective.

Also, I've heard you guys have a few suspended players...

 

Says who?

 

Let him talk and we will see in October. Lot of Colombians said before the game the would beat us. Everybody saw the game and knows the result, ok?
Plus we know how Bielsa plays away games.

 

Mi analisis.

Hoy si que no nos podemos quejar: nos salio todo, nos quedaron los rebotes, anotamos un gol "brujo", etc...En defensa se mejoro substancialmente y el ataque estuvo preciso (en otras palabras, Suazo andaba de buen genio). Yo no vi el partido vs. Turquia--partido que mucha gente clasifico como el mejor de la era Bielsa, pero en ese partido ni se anoto gol ni se gano. En cambio hoy si. De lo que he visto hasta el momento, diria que este fue el mejor encuentro que hemos jugado con Bielsa al mando.

Lo bueno.
-Se conguio el objetivo de ganar.
-Se le gano a un rival directo que esta agonizando, aunque aun queda mucho camino por delante.
-No hubo punto mayormente bajo, ya sea en el trabajo de equipo y/o individual.
-Suazo volvio al gol.
-Matias se encuentra con su futbol.

Lo malo.
-Aun tenemos ciertas deficiencias en defensa: teniendo una delantera que no asusta a nadie, igual perdimos un par de cabezazos que gracias a Dios no llevaron peligro. Cuando tengamos que nuevamente enfrentar delanteros de peso....hay que rezar o esperar que Bielsa corrija eso.
-El equipo aprieta en toda la cancha, y esto--como ha sucedido en todos los partidos--significa que si no logramos recuperar la pelota inmediatamente, quedamos expuestos atras, casi "en pelota". Contra Colombia, hoy eso no fue explotado pero rivales como Arg/Bra/Par nos van a pasar la cuenta.

Uno x uno.
-Bravo: bien. No tuvo mayores problemas y si mal no recuerdo creo que solo tuvo una pelota "complicada", resultado de un chute pifiado de Tressor Moreno. La pelota se le complico mas bien a Bravo solo, mas que el hecho de que el chute haya tenido gran merito. Tambien corto un centro muy bien en el 1t. con el partido 0-0. Se le exigio poco y cuando asi fue respondio con crecer. 7/10
-Medel: regular. No diria que haya jugado "mal", ni nada por el estilo pero como practicamente todos brillaron hoy, el fue el mas opaco (y repito--no jugo mal, simplemente no lucio). 6
-Jara: extraordinario. Para mi el mejor de Chile hoy: certero en los cruces, gano en manos a mano y siempre le da salida pulcra de atras al equipo. Le falta altura quizas y no me extranaria si parte a Europa en el futuro no muy lejano. 9
-Fuentes: bien. Tuvo callado a Rodallega todo el partido (no es un gran merito pero todos conocemos a Fuentes). Se gano una amarilla estupida y tempranera, comenzando el partido. Es un central bueno contra delanteros malos, o sea en el fondo es un central "del monton", para estandares sudamericanos. Gran gol (aunque haya estado offside). 8
-Estrada: bien. Le doy mas merito aun porque fue pifiado en el calentamiento y logro sacudirse el partido del dgo. de encima (donde jugo horrible). Distribuyo con clase y claridad, aunque no es un "6" neto: no tiene marca ni es molestoso pero si sabe ordenar la salidad de un equipo. Con un "6" mordedor, se haria rico. 7.5
-Vidal: bien. Otro que nunca destinhe. Es "nombre puesto" a mi juicio en la Seleccion. Hoy demostro lo vi que jugo los 45 min. suyos vs. Brasil. Para mi tiene futuro de crack. Va a ser un mounstruo: estuvo impasable en la marca, sabe sumarse al ataque y distribuye bien. 8
-Cereceda: bien. Tengo que admitir que no me convencia hasta hace muy poco y que lo encontraba quizas un jugador que de vez en cuando mostraba chispazos de buen futbol. Me ha tapado la boca y lo reconozco. Es impasable en defensa (cerro con candado su banda) y tambien supo salir inteligentemente hoy. Le falta futbol de ataque, a mi pensar, para ser un carrilero "completo". 7.5
-Fdez.: muy bien. Este es el Matias que se fue a Espania, el Matias que no aparecia por Chile desde ese amistoso que le ganamos a Vza. a principios del '07...el Matias talentoso, encarador, armador, etc...Le pinto la cara, simplemente dicho a Colombia. Metio pase-gol, metio su propio gol y siempre era opcion de pase cuando el equipo salia de atras. 8
-Alexis: bien. Quizas aun no explota decididamente en la Seleccion pero poco a poco va mejorando. Hoy--como todos--mejoro lo mostrado frente a Brasil aunque le esta faltando esa sapiencia para saber liquidar las jugadas que arma. Gran pelotazo al area en el 1er gol y muy participativo en general. 7.5
-Suazo: bien. En realidad, entro poco en el juego de equipo y de ataque pero cuando conto, la emboco. Nuevamente, no se le puede reprochar nada al gordo. Fuera de eso, se le vio rechazando y marcando en area propia, sobre todo en el 2t. 8
-Mark: bien. Es el mismo Mark de siempre que aun no es un gran "pichanguero" pero mas bien un atleta. Sin embargo, se mando una jugada de crack en el 4to gol, cuando le metio un tunel a Perea. Siempre voluntarioso, aunque no lleve peligro es una molestia para el lateral que lo tenga que marcar. 7.5
-Contreras: n/a. Fue a reforzar la retaguardia, como un "ladrillo" mas. Por ahi pego una para cortar un contragolpe colombiano. Creo que serviria de titular porque es un central relativamente alto. n/a
-Fierro: n/a. Ni toco la pelota pero tampoco hizo nada mal. Ojala que en Brasil aprenda a jugar con pantalones.
-Morales: n/a. Tampoco logro aportar mucho, entrando tan tarde. Tuvo un par de pases por ahi, pero nada trascendente. Quizas con la ausencia de Valdivia se le abra una oportunidad ahora. A mi me sigue sin convencer.

Conclusion.
Queda poco para los encuentros vs. Ecuador y Argentina. Chile no me preocupa mucho en la altura y menos jugando de visita: a lo que le temo es jugar de local--ahi esta nuestro "talon de aquiles" general (al margen del bloque defensivo y el juego aereo).

Se pensaba--o por lo menos yo pensaba--que Ecuador estaba muerto pero parece que aun tienen senales de vida. Argentina eventualmente se tendra que recuperar de su bajon y espero que no sea contra nosotros.

Por ahora, se esta notando que los jugadores le creen mas y mas a Bielsa en sus ideas, proyecto y discurso lo que es muy alentador.

PD: le gane la apuesta obviamente a mi polola, que es colombiana .

 

Ficha del Partido

http://www.cooperativa.cl/prontus_nots/site/artic/20080910/pags/20080910204600.html

Chile 4: Claudio Bravo; Gonzalo Jara, Gary Medel, Ismael Fuentes; Arturo Vidal, Roberto Cereceda (78' Pablo Contreras), Marco Estrada, Matías Fernández; Alexis Sánchez, Humberto Suazo (85' Pedro Morales), Mark González. DT: Marcelo Bielsa.

Colombia 0: Agustín Julio; Pablo Armero, Amaranto Perea, Aquivaldo Mosquera, Pedro Portocarrero; José Amaya, Carlos Sánchez (53' Camilo Zúñiga), Yulián Anchico, Giovanni Hernández (46' Dayro Moreno); Tresor Moreno, Hugo Rodallega (75' Milton Rodríguez). DT: Jorge Luis Pinto.

Goles: 1-0: 25' Gonzalo Jara; 2-0: 38' Humberto Suazo; 3-0: 48' Ismael Fuentes; 4-0: 71' Matías Fernández.
Amarillas: 2' Ismael Fuentes (CHI); 1' Carlos Sánchez, 23' Pablo Armero (COL)
Arbitro: Jorge Larrionda (URU)
Estadio: Nacional de Santiago.

 

Man i don't agree with bielsa's scheme, our defense is ok but people say it sucks because we don't have the size to win balls in the air. And yes, we won; but we didn't play that great. We played an OK game. The good thing though is our mentality is changing. We didn't score and start to defend we kept pressuring (though not as much as we did with brasil) and attacking.
I watched the Brazil game twice, and we played pretty good in the middle. But we couldn't capitalize on 3 clear occasions on goal (2 suazo and 1 bosejour). I think the brasil game was one of the best played games these qualifiers, despite what people think. A lot of reporters and commentators say we played bad because we got goleado. Pero, the truth of the matter is brasil got to our goal 6 times with 5 shots on goal, and 3 of them ending up being goals.
********ing marco estrada in these last 2 games proved that he isn't ready to play for our team. On 2 occasions he looses the ball senselessly, I mean does he really need to hold the ball as a last man until he loses it? 1 was a goal and the other bravo i think saved it.
Mati is playing pretty good but he disappeared in the 2nd half in both games. He needs to get in better shape due to the way we play.
Suazo is SLOW!!! He hates using his head. I think we should give Orellana a chance. Alexis sanchez is a gifted player, indeed, but he doesn't know when to give the ball up. And when he does the pass sucks. Marc Gonzalez is average, ok speed. Vidal is pretty good but he hogs the ball sometimes when he shouldn't. Medel is EXCELLENT. The man puts pressure in every single play, yes fabiono scored on him but he dropped him to the floor (that was a foul but that ref was bull). But he had the duty to defend ronaldinho and as we can all recall ronaldhino couldn't even touch the ball without being harrased. Best defensive type player we have, BUT he is small and can't defend on centers. I think we should call calule. Bielsa needs to teach him discipline and play him left CB. Man could defend he's just real risky to have out there. Also, is it me or is Iturra better than carmona?
Bravo was excellent in both games. Yes, he got 3 goals scored on him but they were all the defense fault. I can't stress it enough, marco estrada is garbage, even in his expertize; dead balls.
Claudio maldonado, tello, iturra, and calule need another chance IMO.
Any ways i know this is a lot and im new but w/e these are my observations on these 2 games.
Best thing we can be proud of is we pressured the whole game against brasil, and until around the 75th with colombia (but we were tired though you could tell).

By the way when can valdivia come back?

 

Welcome to these boards.
We're glad to see another Chilean on these parts.
Take a min. and introduce yourself to the boys on this thread--if you don't mind:
https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15128118#post15128118

Now, getting to your post, I disagree with you on a number of things.
1. Today, we arguably played one of our best games under Bielsa. What else could you ask for: 4 goals, clean sheet, no real bad individual performances? Granted, it was against a team that is by no means currently top opposition, it was still a team that we have to directly battle with for a spot.
2. I concede that Estrada played horribly vs. Brasil. Today, however, he was one of our brighter spots. I don't think he gave the ball away in possession and balanced the team, which is his foremost job.
3. Against Brazil, we played a great 1st 30 min: after that, everything fell apart. You can't seriously tell me we played better vs. Brazil than what we did vs. Colombia today?
4. Fdez. is a talented attacking mid. He's not an "8" (a la Gerrard or Lampard). He's bound to dissappear in matches. God: he scored a goal and provided an assist and did everything he had us used to doing at CC. If you call that "dissappearing"...
5. Suazo might be slow but he scores goals in important moments. If he can keep being a "slow" player like that and scoring, I won't complaint one bit. And Orellana is not a CF, like Suazo. If anything, Orellana is Alexis's back up.
6. Fabiano's play on the last goal by Brazil was by no means a foul. Come on, now, dude: how old are we? Medel had the angle of the ball and he failed to apply a simple defensive concept when you can't control it: just boot it, even if it's with a toe.
7. Kalule is not NT material anymore. End of story. Even if he might be, he's not Bielsa's type of player.
8. I agree about Maldonado and Tello coming back. I would't mind more competiton for places from two very good players.
9. Most Chileans won't want Valdivia back. The ref included in his report that it was actually "violent conduct" (on Valdivia's part), and based on what I read he might even get 2 games. It wasn't the greatest 1st impression from someone we all had busted Bielsa's balls to bring back into the squad. I personally wish him the best of luck in the UAE. For today--and the time being--we're fine with Matias.

And again, welcome.

 

What!?

Today was the best game under Bielsas scheme. Although the defense is still shacky Colombia didnt have too many chances. We won with goleada and its not coincidence. I really dont get it, if we loose we suck, if we win we suck, if we win by goleada we still suck

Also Estrada played a great game, maybe u were watching the replay of WCQ 2006 game?

Iturra isnt even a starter for la U...And im a La U fan and i say hes been sucking lately.